He [Sam Rainsy] is absolutely correct. I am not a big fan of SRP but in this case he is right. Cambodia didn't ask ICJ to create a demilitarised zone (DMZ) but it did any way and it has surprised by both countries. The next step is to interpret 1962 ruling. What else ICJ has under its sleeves? I am doubtful that Cambodia gained from the ICJ past ruling but if the government sees it differently, I will trust them to handle things. I am sure that they care and love Cambodia the same way as the SRP. We all should speak with one voice and help each other to ensure that we don't lose out. The ruling CPP party should be open to the opposition's suggestions because it might have seen things differently. Don't leave any stone unturned. The opposition has the same rights as other ordinary citizens to offer suggestions. Thailand continues its verbal attack and Cambodia hasn't responded much.
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Anonymous said...
Sam Rainsy is correct. ICJ did not stand by who is right and who is wrong, but rather trying to play a peace keeping role. In the future, if Thailand decides to fight for another part of Cambodia, as it will likely happen, the ICJ will continue do the same peace keeper.
Cambodia is beginning to rebuild its arm force to challenge Thailand. In this situation, the relationship between the two countries will likely getting worse, not better. I believe by the year 2020, the Cambodian military will reach some where around a quarter of a million troops. The continue clash between the two nations absolutely will happen again and again.
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Anonymous said...
Cambodia is the rightful owner of Preah Vihear temple and there has been a clear recognition from the ICJ in 1962. No one says the contrary and actually this is the real cause of the war so far. We wouldn’t fight for a land that doesn’t belong to us. Yes, even Thailand repeated several times that they recognized the 1992 ICJ ruling and they always say so that Cambodia owns the Preah Vihear temple. But the war which engulfed that region was not originated from the temple itself, but the vicinities, or the land around the temple claimed by both countries, Cambodia and Thailand. People who live on both sides of the border need to live without fears of being killed or seeking refuges in other places far from their own villages. Living in peace is in fact a basic human right. More than that, if the ICJ were to order only Thailand to unilaterally withdraw its army from those vicinities of the temple that measure could be interpreted as de facto recognition of Cambodia’s ownership of the land surrounding the temple. In that case, there would be no need of further ruling or interpretation of the 1962 verdict as requested by Cambodia. That may not need the provisional demilitarized zone, or the ASEAN observers at the place, etc. Thailand may see it as a blame the ICJ squarely put on them in this war. I think that the 17 international judges of the ICJ are a lot wiser than Mr. Sam Rainsy and a lot more knowledgeable than the leader of the opposition’s party in protecting the civilians along the border. Please be a bit more patient, with the final ruling in a few months from now, Cambodia will be able to recover everything, the temple and the land around it and a border of peace and stability.
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Anonymous said...
In 1962, the ICJ ordered Thailand to withdraw troops and police from the Preah Vihear Temple and the temple's vicinities. Maybe you need to reread the 1962 verdict again. Sam Rainsy is correct and you are wrong.
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The Great Khmer Empire said...
"Recruitment efforts are underway to select soldiers for four separate divisions, along with a special unit based in Kratie province, said Chhum Socheat, a spokesman for the Ministry of Defense." Link:http://www.voanews.com/khmer-english/news/politics/Armed-Forces-Recruit-Thousands-To-Fill-Ranks-125830578.html.
I don't think you have to wait until 2020 to see Cambodian forces reach a quarter of a million men and women. I think it's going to be a lot sooner given the circumstances surrounding the ICJ decision. Our people are smart and learned from past mistakes. I know we need to improve our economy and reduce poverty. However, the clear and present danger are the 2 neigbhors, Thailand and Vietnam. We have to simultaneously focus on the economy and at the same time modernize our military.
Besides, the economy are run by private investments and free market anyway. The government will need to provide the stability and infrastructure to foster that market. That leaves them some resources for our military.
Don't get me wrong. I want peace, so far no one has unanimously supporting us regarding PV and the border. We have to be strong and wise and tactful. Once we have strong military, no one will want to challenge us.
I truly believe that by 2013, our government will be able to priortize the budget better because by that time, oil revenue will be realized and somewhat pumped into the budget. I am very optimistic about the outlook. Just be a little patience, we will be strong again.
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Anonymous said...
look at this icj trying to remove the Thai thief from the khmer house and also ask khmer who own the house to move too?
Because icj has known that if khmer don't move out the Thai thief will come to burn khmer house for sure.
the world known that thai is very tricky people(German known that very well)
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Anonymous said...
21 July 2011 11:21 AM
I agree 100% that in 1962 the ICJ ordered Thailand to withdraw troops and police from the Preah Vihear Temple and the temple's vicinities.
The problem is that Thailand looked at different map and claimed the 4.6 sq.km. The reason why there was war so far. The Thais didn't use the 1904-1907 map and withdrawn its army. That is why we go back to the ICJ for interpretation of the 1962 ruling. Do you want to keep having war with Thailand and destroy people lives over there? You may be happy to know that the Yello Shirts and Abbhisit think the same as you and Rainsy!
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Anonymous said...
Sam Rainsy is correct to be upset about this case, but there is no other way. In the court procedure this is the first step of the judges and the jury to find out which side is guilty. Criminal suspects remain innocent until proven guilty.
As a matter of fact, it is the ruling gov.CPP that is to be blamed for giving status to the Thai thief by allowing them to have so many bilateral negotiations and especially seeking for the endorsement from Thailand before their invasion.
My point is, if you believe that Preah Vihear (PV) and the 4.6 km2 is in Cambodia, why you need Thai endorsement to put PV as a world heritage site? Why did Hun Sen, S0k An have to seek for that endorsement in 2008?. This is the incompetence of Hun's and his clans decision.
I have strong faith with the ICJ that the DMZ is a clever measure to stop two nations fighting each other.
The most important thing for the ICJ looking for is the facts and figures of history behind the PV and the relevance of papers that both countries signed and agreed in the past.For Thai side, this important evidences, it just simply don't add up to prove that PV and the 4.6 belong to them.
There is no U-TURN from now on,but let the ICJ to proceed with this case and hope that justice is given to Cambodia.
Deep gratitude and high respect to Sam Rainsy and his party.You are a true hero.
True Khmer
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Anonymous said...
I think Rainsy did a good job here. To ask Cambodia to withdraw troops from its territory is like asking the owner of the house to leave his house. Thailand is the thief, therefore the ICJ should only ask Thailand to withdraw troops, not Cambodia.
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Anonymous said...
Sam Rainsy is correct. ICJ did not stand by who is right and who is wrong, but rather trying to play a peace keeping role. In the future, if Thailand decides to fight for another part of Cambodia, as it will likely happen, the ICJ will continue do the same peace keeper.
Cambodia is beginning to rebuild its arm force to challenge Thailand. In this situation, the relationship between the two countries will likely getting worse, not better. I believe by the year 2020, the Cambodian military will reach some where around a quarter of a million troops. The continue clash between the two nations absolutely will happen again and again.
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Anonymous said...
Cambodia is the rightful owner of Preah Vihear temple and there has been a clear recognition from the ICJ in 1962. No one says the contrary and actually this is the real cause of the war so far. We wouldn’t fight for a land that doesn’t belong to us. Yes, even Thailand repeated several times that they recognized the 1992 ICJ ruling and they always say so that Cambodia owns the Preah Vihear temple. But the war which engulfed that region was not originated from the temple itself, but the vicinities, or the land around the temple claimed by both countries, Cambodia and Thailand. People who live on both sides of the border need to live without fears of being killed or seeking refuges in other places far from their own villages. Living in peace is in fact a basic human right. More than that, if the ICJ were to order only Thailand to unilaterally withdraw its army from those vicinities of the temple that measure could be interpreted as de facto recognition of Cambodia’s ownership of the land surrounding the temple. In that case, there would be no need of further ruling or interpretation of the 1962 verdict as requested by Cambodia. That may not need the provisional demilitarized zone, or the ASEAN observers at the place, etc. Thailand may see it as a blame the ICJ squarely put on them in this war. I think that the 17 international judges of the ICJ are a lot wiser than Mr. Sam Rainsy and a lot more knowledgeable than the leader of the opposition’s party in protecting the civilians along the border. Please be a bit more patient, with the final ruling in a few months from now, Cambodia will be able to recover everything, the temple and the land around it and a border of peace and stability.
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Anonymous said...
In 1962, the ICJ ordered Thailand to withdraw troops and police from the Preah Vihear Temple and the temple's vicinities. Maybe you need to reread the 1962 verdict again. Sam Rainsy is correct and you are wrong.
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The Great Khmer Empire said...
"Recruitment efforts are underway to select soldiers for four separate divisions, along with a special unit based in Kratie province, said Chhum Socheat, a spokesman for the Ministry of Defense." Link:http://www.voanews.com/khmer-english/news/politics/Armed-Forces-Recruit-Thousands-To-Fill-Ranks-125830578.html.
I don't think you have to wait until 2020 to see Cambodian forces reach a quarter of a million men and women. I think it's going to be a lot sooner given the circumstances surrounding the ICJ decision. Our people are smart and learned from past mistakes. I know we need to improve our economy and reduce poverty. However, the clear and present danger are the 2 neigbhors, Thailand and Vietnam. We have to simultaneously focus on the economy and at the same time modernize our military.
Besides, the economy are run by private investments and free market anyway. The government will need to provide the stability and infrastructure to foster that market. That leaves them some resources for our military.
Don't get me wrong. I want peace, so far no one has unanimously supporting us regarding PV and the border. We have to be strong and wise and tactful. Once we have strong military, no one will want to challenge us.
I truly believe that by 2013, our government will be able to priortize the budget better because by that time, oil revenue will be realized and somewhat pumped into the budget. I am very optimistic about the outlook. Just be a little patience, we will be strong again.
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Anonymous said...
look at this icj trying to remove the Thai thief from the khmer house and also ask khmer who own the house to move too?
Because icj has known that if khmer don't move out the Thai thief will come to burn khmer house for sure.
the world known that thai is very tricky people(German known that very well)
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Anonymous said...
21 July 2011 11:21 AM
I agree 100% that in 1962 the ICJ ordered Thailand to withdraw troops and police from the Preah Vihear Temple and the temple's vicinities.
The problem is that Thailand looked at different map and claimed the 4.6 sq.km. The reason why there was war so far. The Thais didn't use the 1904-1907 map and withdrawn its army. That is why we go back to the ICJ for interpretation of the 1962 ruling. Do you want to keep having war with Thailand and destroy people lives over there? You may be happy to know that the Yello Shirts and Abbhisit think the same as you and Rainsy!
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Anonymous said...
Sam Rainsy is correct to be upset about this case, but there is no other way. In the court procedure this is the first step of the judges and the jury to find out which side is guilty. Criminal suspects remain innocent until proven guilty.
As a matter of fact, it is the ruling gov.CPP that is to be blamed for giving status to the Thai thief by allowing them to have so many bilateral negotiations and especially seeking for the endorsement from Thailand before their invasion.
My point is, if you believe that Preah Vihear (PV) and the 4.6 km2 is in Cambodia, why you need Thai endorsement to put PV as a world heritage site? Why did Hun Sen, S0k An have to seek for that endorsement in 2008?. This is the incompetence of Hun's and his clans decision.
I have strong faith with the ICJ that the DMZ is a clever measure to stop two nations fighting each other.
The most important thing for the ICJ looking for is the facts and figures of history behind the PV and the relevance of papers that both countries signed and agreed in the past.For Thai side, this important evidences, it just simply don't add up to prove that PV and the 4.6 belong to them.
There is no U-TURN from now on,but let the ICJ to proceed with this case and hope that justice is given to Cambodia.
Deep gratitude and high respect to Sam Rainsy and his party.You are a true hero.
True Khmer
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Anonymous said...
I think Rainsy did a good job here. To ask Cambodia to withdraw troops from its territory is like asking the owner of the house to leave his house. Thailand is the thief, therefore the ICJ should only ask Thailand to withdraw troops, not Cambodia.
7 comments:
"Rainsy did a good job here"?
What did he do exactly? Besides stating some opinions? I guess you guys' standard for appraisal is pretty low.
Me too! I totally agree with Mr. Sam Rainsy's word, he is right, the ICJ's ruling is not fair to cambodia(the Owner) Thief-Thai invaded cambodian, not cambodia invaded Thailand...?? Thief is the one suppose to leave our house...Why the owner has to leave the HOUSE???????????
Why cambodia has to leave their own home?
I don't really care much about the troops leaving the DMZ. What I am really worry is the Cambodian people living there. Who would look after them when the troops and police are departed. Those Thais with guns will not leave the villagers alone. In the past, a lot of Cambodians were killed by the Thai soldiers in the area. It's make a lot sense to have ASEAN come in first before Cambodian Troops withdraw.
What the ICJ will do next is mystery, but the security of the people who are living in the vicinities is very important. Those Thai soldiers can’t wait to see the Cambodian troops withdraw from Preah Vihear Temple and the vicinity. It is what Abhisit Vejjajiva wants Cambodia to do. The Thai soldiers might dress in civilian cloths to take up the positions against the unarm Cambodians and then history will repeats itself.
Post 6:52AM got the Point..here!! Thais soldier dress like civilian...We all screwed!
Thai PM Abhisit said that Cambodia has to withdraw troops first before he allows Indonesian observers in. I think Thailand is playing a cat and mouse here. Thailand is trying to use a delaying tactic to defy the ICJ decision.
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