I am a traitor for speaking the truth about our military capabilities? Let's everyone start lying!!!!
This was supposed to be a discussion about our military strength and weakness. But instead, the author is so clouded by his pride he or she rather use propaganda as a tool to lie to our soldiers. You are leading our soldiers into a senseless death!
20 June 2011 12:48 PM
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Anonymous said...
Freedom of speech during wartime has long been a contentious issue around the world when the country was on the verge of war with the enemy, it's a crime for anyone to "write, print, utter, or publish ... any false, scandalous, and malicious writing or writings against the government."
Despite the commitment to freedom of speech as a necessary part of the democratic process, many people instinctively feel that any criticism of governmental policy while the soldiers are at risk is simply treasonous. Censorship during wartime is a popular political option.
The reason would be to prevent supporters of the enemy from creating an atmosphere of low morale by constantly disparaging the reasons that we are at war.
We have a responsibility during wartime to be more careful about what we do and say, to help make the war time era shorter, less awful, and more controlled.That's why we gleefully think the flood of bad news about the war.
All of us have limits on the free expression of our rights, and most of those limits should be based on our sense of responsibility and honor. However, there is when the government step in and limit free expression; that's why we have laws against libel, for instance.
From long arm of the Laws
20 June 2011 2:35 PM
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Anonymous said...
From long arm of the Laws
Although you are correct. But we are not at war. Critic as you call it are there to make sure the government is kept in check other wise there will be abuse. For example, if there is no pressure on the CPP government to defuse the situation, Hun Sen will carry on this matter till election. Do we want more senseless death? But you got a good point.
20 June 2011 2:58 PM
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Anonymous said...
The very existence of war requires that one possesses not only the physical means to sustain an armed struggle but a mentality that predisposes one to initiate it or persevere in it. It follows, then, that hostilities cease when one of these two essential elements has been destroyed—when one combatant no longer possesses either the physical means or the psychological will to carry on the fight. The purpose of combat operations is to physically destroy the enemy’s physical and material ability to make war. The objective of psychological operations is to erode his will to continue the fight.
In wartime, propaganda serves one of three purposes: it increases support for the war effort among friendly peoples, encourages neutrals either to remain unaligned or to become allies, or diminishes an enemy’s will to remain in the war. The predispositions of the target population thus establish the parameters of wartime propaganda. Within those parameters the precise aim of the message determines its content. Propaganda may encourage the audience to take immediate action or simply provide the enemy with discouraging news. In any case, wartime propaganda plays a supporting role, for its primary purpose is to facilitate a nation’s efforts to achieve military victory.
Psychological warfare, when it is directed against an enemy population, is merely a label for nonviolent activities aimed at destroying the enemy’s will to continue the fight. It is an aspect of war that attacks the enemy psychologically rather than physically. It must be pursued in combination with the political, economic, and military dimensions of a total war effort. Psychological war operations are intended to achieve military advantages without the direct application of violence. Propaganda (i.e., persuasive communication) is simply the instrument most frequently used to gain such advantages.
Propaganda in warfare, like the military operations it augments, is often divided into two broad categories,strategic and tactical. Strategic propaganda focuses on long-range goals at the highest psychological level, such as the gradual but continuous demoralization of the enemy or the mobilization of support for one’s own war effort. It is most commonly directed at audiences outside the immediate combat area. Tactical propaganda comprises informational activities that accompany combat operations. It is most often aimed at enemy combatants and may be designed to elicit immediate results of tactical advantage on the battlefield.Nonetheless, “tactical” propaganda operations (“tactical” in that they are conducted against enemy troops in combat areas) are very often designed to achieve long-range, that is “strategic” objectives, such as the gradual demoralization of enemy combatants. For this reason, it is more accurate to use the term combat propaganda for informational activities conducted against enemy forces in the field.
20 June 2011 4:04 PM
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Anonymous said...
The truth is painful and hurtful too. The truth is, Cambodian Royal Armed Forces aren't sacred as you put it. Grant it, we are all Khmer and we are all Khmer who killed our own people for land and expensive car. I served in the United States Marine, we, the U.S military personnel, never killed our own people for land and expensive car. Our duties are called "for the People, By the People and for OUR NATION".
I pity Khmer military uniformed men and women, but array of personnel wore different types of uniforms depending on their money. There are no Uniform Code of Wear and appearance or Uniform Code of Military Justice. Soldier salary were stolen by Ministry of Finance and the list goes on and on, friend. Reality is as much as I love my own countrymen, but if we sugarcoated the problems, then we are fabricating the severity of problems facing our national defenders. Sun Bin and other military strategist will tell you that the country might and the country backbone is the ARMY.
20 June 2011 4:21 PM
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Anonymous said...
People, let's calm down. Let's keep professionalism to the maximum. I know there are heated debates on certain sensitive issue. What I notice, Khmer strength is untouchable when dealing with each other. However, Khmer strength quickly become weak and deteriorate when there is a threat coming from our enemies. We begin to become separate and disillusioned. We begin to scapegoating each other and our leader for their incompetency that lead our nation to become an object of mockery and insult. This only delight our enemy. As much as we blame our leader, what we as Cambodians ought to also do to improve the situation to better our nation? As John F. Kennedy once said, " Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country." Should we just become bitter and vent our anger of frustration at each other and the government, hoping this will make thing become better? Should we become," Kheung Ko, Waiy Krabey?" (Angry with a cow and beat a buffalo?)
As much as we would like to criticise our government and our military to defend our nation, I rarely hear any good suggestion that might help alleviate the root of the problem. After that being said, I hope we all come to a conclusion and cease this on going bickering among ourselves and start thinking for ways to help improve Cambodia. That's if we want to see Cambodia become a nation that deserve respect.
Kon Khmer,
20 June 2011 7:08 PM
15 comments:
Kon Khmer
The discussion on our military strength and weakness is a good start to learn how we can improve. If people try to sugar coat the severity of it, how do you resolve the problem? If you cannot point out a problem without being attack and called a traitor. The problem will never be resolve and the can will continue to be kicked down the road. I believe the first then we all need to do is control our pride a bit. It seems that certain people on here cannot control their pride. It's great to hold such high pride of your nation. But it should not cloud your judgement. Let's figure out the weakness of our military and government. Then you can find a solution. Everyone think that we shouldn't debate this right now because of our conflict; then when? If we allow the government to use war propaganda without anyone keeping them check; like us. They will use our soldier lives as shields for their political gain. Our foot soldiers is at an disadvantage compare to the government. Some people here seems to respond with reaction and not with professionalism. Their reaction is to immediately attack another blogger. Since this topic started I sense the same blogger is always writing that we are continually attacking our soldiers in a time that Thailand is aggressively bullying us. We are not attacking our soldiers but the institution. Our soldiers are there to do what they are told to do. By debating this issue, we are not in anyway an expert in military issues but we have a sense of certain issues. This does not mean Thailand military will be on here to read blogs to see if they can find weakness in our military. They already have their own experts.
I don't see by donating my hard earn money to our soldiers will help the situation. In a particular way, it is like how the CPP is allowing business people to personally donate or sponsor certain military branch. That is not solving the problem. It starts at the top. People need to get it in their head that we are not attacking our soldiers. It is the government that we are holding accountable. I have a suggestion for those who keep accusing us on attacking our soldiers. READ and RE-READ.
to the above article outhor-
if you want to talk a bout negative, ok keep load stupid brain with garbage, I know some of your words are true and at the sam tim you also hiding politcal agenda in the article. let me show you how stupid idoit you people are: read these ( criticism is dangerouse, because it wound a person's precious pride, it hurt people sense of importance, and arouses resentment ). repeat thise 20 tims with your boss Sam raisy and stop preaching negative hatread and dividing my people. its foolish to scold, and it is not criticism that can make ever lasting chang, but the resentment that criticism engender demoral SRP member, your family and friend and stil not correct the policy or the issue you been condemed. mike
I read and reread. On one hand this guy said,"We are not attacking our soldiers." and the other he said,"I don't see by donating my hard earn money to our soldiers will help the situation."
What I understant what this guy said was I like you, but I don't like you.
World Heritage Committee will help sway Thai election result very quickly.
The meeting will conclude on June 29 just a few days before Thai general election day.If the meeting decided to adopt Cambodia's plan will Thailand withdraw its membership from WHC right away without defer the matter to the next government? For Khmer, we're not really care or miss this idiot retarded member who blamed the international body of failing to promote peace by not listening to its tricky request of continuously delay Khmer plan. We should invite the regional WHC office to move into Cambodia to facilitate more works.
My concern is that, what if this disgraced Thai may succeed in convincing the meeting to consider for another postponement,let say,another year? It's unbelievable but it could happen. I would like to see our bloggers make a good debate and help convince the member of WHC to adopt Khmer plan this time.
3:30
I do not have a political agenda so don't start making accusations. I am not in favor of CPP, SRP, HRP. Only those who are honestly working to better the lives of our people. Would you like me to explain to you how I feel about Sam Rainsy? Not very positive I tell you. I sense that if you could, you would sue me for defamation like what the CPP would. By you calling me stupid tells me what intelligent level you are on. But I will not stoop to your level in calling anyone names because I am not a hard core keyboard bully who sits behind a monitor and feel like I can disrespect anyone knowing that I wouldn't get any repercussions.
3:35
I don't see by donating my hard earn money to our soldiers will help the situation. In a particular way, it is like how the CPP is allowing business people to personally donate or sponsor certain military branch. That is not solving the problem. It starts at the top. People need to get it in their head that we are not attacking our soldiers. It is the government that we are holding accountable. I have a suggestion for those who keep accusing us on attacking our soldiers. READ and RE-READ.
That is the full context of my writing. By pulling out what was the reason I feel that way. You are trying to fabricate what I was not saying. You should stay out of the topic if you don't have any solution to help our soldiers.
4:10
I feel the anxiety too. I can only hope that the CPP government can truly handle it other than stealing, beating and violating our unarmed people. Cambodia should just shun away from unesco for now and go with other private donors to manage the temple. I know that by listing the temple as unesco comes with financial privilege that the CPP government would not want to spend itself.
So, 4;43 AM, your intention is to take down the institution of Cambodian military because it neglect to provide the necessary means for our soldiers at the front line? Did you have a relative or someone close to you, killed in one of those clashes? Is that why you're pretty wild up and lashing out at Cambodian military? You are a Marine, right? If you are, are all Marine acting like you? I notice Sgt. Houn, assuming a new blogger is also a Marine but he appears very sane to me. Are you sure, you're not suffering from that syndrom where a soldier gone KOO..KOO after spending time in the battlefield. Assuming you were in the battlefield if you are a Marine, that is. You are Proud Cambodian, correct? I notice you have pride too. It's nice to have pride in ourselves isn't it?
5:09
You continue to make accusations. LoL. When did I ever said I wanted to take down the institution? You seem to make the case yourself by saying, "So, 4;43 AM, your intention is to take down the institution of Cambodian military because it neglect to provide the necessary means for our soldiers at the front line?" would it be wrong to wipe the institute clean then since they are neglecting our soldiers? I do not know what you are trying to get at other than attacking me. Your rambling provided no solution or even on topic.
I dont see anywhere in my opinion lashin out. Again, it's seem like you just want to attack me. Or feel the need to respond because I may have hurt your feelings.
Again another accusation with the military stuff. So it is ok for you to make fun of another military institution but not Cambodian military. Everything you are saying is not only rhetorical. But contradictive to what you are saying. Have alittle dignity and stop assuming what you think people are with no such fact in front of you. You're siding with Mr. Houn because his opinion is in-line with that you believe. You owe Mr. Houn an apology for your childish rambling about the very institution he is serving. But we all know you won't give one.
People should be allowed to point out the shortcomings in our military. Censoring people's opinions on our military, especially when they are just trying to raise the problems our military is facing, is not going to help improve the military. The Khmer Rouge has tried hard to suppress opinions, killed everyone who criticized its regime and its military, and so our country was destroyed. When people pointed out our military weaknesses, it doesn't mean they insulted it, but try to raise the issue so our political and military leaders can sit back and reflect on their and our military weakness. Praising our military, over-praising it and lauded its greatness while it it not, is very dangerous because people are blinded by the truth. Constructive criticism is the best way to remind our leaders of their shortcomings and so to improve our military.
8:24
Thank you for your insight. I have tried many times to reason with the personal attackers. But in the end as the saying goes, "can't reason with a crazy person". I just want to point out where we can strength our weaknesses. But without pointing it out. How do you solve the problem? People seems to never want to touch the sensitive issues. I can only hope we can make change to better equip, and enhance the lives of our military, their families, and the rest of our People.
Read and reread,
If this guy really care about the military, than he should give the money directly to the troops at the border. No one ask you to give money to CPP or Hun Sen. Instead, he find a reason to say, "I don't see by donating my hard earn money to our soldiers will help the situation."
Proud Cambodian said:
Khmerization should make people choose a nickname or initials when posting a comment on this blog, but still allow us to be anonymous. This way, it is easier for people to respond to a certain author/blogger, especially those ignorant who makes wild accusations without logic.
Bloggers has been called a traitor, enemy’s slaves or accused of belonging to a political party simply because they have criticized the army as an organization.
Other issues aside, this Preah Vihear and the border conflict with Thailand has united all Cambodian; even opposition parties have backed the government on this issue. So stop accusing fellow Cambodian as traitors simply because they’ve expressed their views on the strengths our military, which in turns criticized the government.
By the nature of some of these attack/accusations, it is clear that those authors are aligned to a political party, however by expressing our negative views does not make us an opposition member.
Some has argued that by pointing out our military weaknesses, it would de-moral the soldiers. Well I disagree, I don’t think the soldiers at the frontline has access to the internet/computer, and they’re too busy going about their duties than to go through every blogs like this one. The only people who are affected by these criticisms are the ones that felt guilty due to these comments.
If some of you, after reading this article still think that I am a member of an opposition party, let me set the fact straight: I used to support the royalist Funcinpec party, but now I’ve lose faith in ALL political parties in Cambodia since in the late 90s. So, as long as Hun Sen or the politicians are doing the right thing for the country, then I’ll applaud him/her, it does not matter what political party they’re from. Having said that, if I disagree with their implementation/actions then I am entitled to express my view and make them accountable for their actions, this is part of a democracy!
Do not take our voice/criticism as a personal attack on any individual politician!
As for suggestion of solutions, we’re not an expert in military tactics therefore what ever is suggested are only personal opinions, do not emotionally attacking them.
As said before, some of my suggestions is to acquire formidable medium range missiles that can reach deep inside enemy territory, acquire radar equipped Surface to Air Missiles (SAM) to counter the enemy’s F-16. Some has argued that Cambodia already possess more sophisticated weapons but did not want to disclose them security reasons. I’m not doubting this argument, however, I’m advocating for the Cambodian military leaders to carefully select a few arsenals to show our capabilities and use them to deter the Thais from pushing us around like what they have always done in the past.
Too long and too borring. What is your point? Read and reread and still can,t understand what this guy is crying about?"
1:42
You should not be here since most of the articles on Khmeriztion are too long and boring for you.
Peharps, you should go to pre-school because there you can find some colourful picture books.
I agree 1:42PM. This guy is boring. He dominating the webpage with his bullshit everyday. Wow.. what a nutcase? I pitty that fool for being such a fool. He goes on and on about same old of the same old about the weak Cambodian military and curse those that support and praise Cambodian military for having the gut to stand up to the Siem. He's a spasmodic when someone disagree with him. He always got hot and heavy and start going on a rampage, attacking and barking like a dog. He starts using big fancy words to project himself as an educated person who knows what he's talking about. I swear, this nutcase is Pol Pot reincarnation. He need to go see a Crazy doctor to check his insane in membrane. "WHO'S LET THE DOG OUT..RUFF..RUFF.." Let me guess, he's after me now for pissing him off.
6:39
i have tried to be subjective and civilized when commenting. I've now realise that it is useless to use logic to a "guard dog" whos only duty is to defend its master at all cost!
Why don't you re-read your own barks and take a look at yourself in the mirror, and tell me what you can see? and if you cannot afford a mirror, I can send you one!
People like you who don't understand what critism is, try eliminate/attack anyone who does not share your ignorant thoughts that put the Cambodian Army in its current state.
Go on, don't stop barking until your master tells you to stop!
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