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Thursday, 16 June 2011

S2: Defending The Nation – Part I: Threat Assessment

After reading many heated debates in this forum about the different views of the capability of the Cambodian army versus the Thai army, I wish to re-post this article from Davan Long, a Cambodian-Canadian naval officer who has openly claimed to be an ardent supporter of Prime Minister Hun Sen and the ruling Cambodian People's Party. Please have a read.
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By Davan Long

Read part two here.


Dear Fellow Khmers,

As the prospect of full scale armed conflict with Thailand is looming, a number of concerned citizens have openly asked questions on our defense strategy and recommendations. Obviously, the best strategy is to live in peace with our neighbors, as long as they respect our territorial integrity. Unfortunately, this is not happening. Our border has been repeatedly encroached. Our bilateral negotiations have yielded no results and we are left with no other option but to defend our motherland vigorously by any mean including the military option.

Although we hope to be able to resolve the border issues peacefully at the international court, the situation on the ground clearly shows that large scale armed hostility is increasingly inevitable. Facing such threat, National Defense Association (NDA) has conducted some assessment on the Thai military structure and capability, and would like to communication this vital information to our fellow citizens, soldiers, military planners and government so that we are all aware of what we are up against, and that we can decide what specific counter measures we must take during the military confrontations.

As summarized in the attachment, the Royal Thai Armed Forces (RTA) has a combined strength of roughly 301,000 regular plus 200,000 reserve, and an estimated annual budget (2009) of $4.08 billion dollar (US). The RTA consists of three service branches - Royal Thai Army with 190,000 soldiers; the Royal Thai Navy which has 68,000 men (sailors, marines and naval aviators); and the Royal Thai Air Force which consists of 43,000 airmen. Furthermore, there are around 11,000 paramilitary known as rangers operating along border areas.

Thai military arsenal includes 315 aircrafts, 185 of which are fighters such as L-39, Alpha Jet, AU32, F5 and F16 fitted with advanced medium range air-to-air missiles; over 180 helicopters; 360 main battle tanks; 460 light tanks; 1150 armored personnel carriers; 650 field artilleries [11.5 to 39.6Km range]; 240 anti aircraft artilleries; 1 aircraft carrier, 11 frigates; 7 corvettes; 9 amphibious landing ships; 110 patrol boats;

Thai defense is organized into four areas - Western and central provinces protected by 1st Army; North Eastern area under the command of the 2nd Army; North and Northwestern area under the command of the 3rd Army; and finally the Southern area protected by the 4th Army. Thai military current involvements include border dispute and drug smuggling surveillance along Burma border, border dispute with Cambodia, and controlling the Muslim revolts in the Southern provinces along Malaysia border.

Numerically, Thai military strength and budget are impressive. However according to several military experts, Thai soldiers lack combat experiences and are ill-prepared for battlefields. The bulk of their defense budget goes to the staff salary and only minimum amount is spent on training. Thai generals spend more times to exercise their influences in domestic politics than preparing the troop for combat readiness. This is largely due to the fact that Thai defense strategy from the cold war era relies on US to provide protection against external armed conflict and to resort to political solution to avert potential war.

NDA assessment is that Thai government is unlikely to commit huge materials and ground troops for a prolonged conflict with Cambodia. Thailand has nothing to gain from such conflict. However, she is testing our solidarity and determination to fight. If we don't response swiftly and decisively on the border incursions, Thais will continue to repeatedly violate our sovereignty.

In part II, NDA will provide some high level recommendations on the tactical manoeuvering in the battlefields.

Regards,

Davan Long,

NDA

PS: I regret if some of you receive multiple copies of this email. Please help to distribute this information within your network or local communities.
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17 comments:

Anonymous said...

12 of Thai F16s were donated by Singaporean gov from the Singapore army training school and some of them have been flying more than 10,000 Hrs lately Thailand purchase BM 30 rocket from china a rocket cost $4000.00 for 40km range and 150Km range cost $16,000.00 US dollars.

Thailand gov Bank account not sound as it could be if the soldier is on duty they have to pay 450 baht as the bonus.

The Great Khmer Empire said...

Davan,
I like your assessment of the looming perils ahead of us if we don't reform our military situation.
I really don't care what your politcal view is of our country or the color of your skin, however we must united in defending our national border and interests both east and west.
Our country have been at peace, relatively speaking, for more than 22 years now since the withdrawal of the Vietnamese troops from our land. We as a nation didn't pay too much attention to revamp our military due to obvious reasons. We focus mainly on economic growth, infrastructure, and reducing poverty. However, we can not neglect military reform. Until recently, I was embarrassed to see our soldiers with rusty AKs and sandals facing a fully equipped thai army. We have to take a hard look at the current situation and set priority of what is the clear and present danger at this juncture. I think increasing military budget and modernized our military is a top priority. It doesn't mean that we have to sacrifice our daily living, but taking a small step toward reform. Over time, it would be very fruitful. God bless Cambodia and our people.

Anonymous said...

Well said, Great Khmer Empire!!!!. We can' build ourselves a nice home, if can't protect it from thieves. It would be pointless. I live in Texas, USA. Almost Every home have gun for self defense, regardless, if you live in a huge acreage farmland or a small mobile home. The right is there to defense yourself. As a nation, if Cambodia neglect to defend her territory from thieves to the east or west, Cambodia will only get smaller. Cambodia cannot afford that. If we Cambodia begin to take thing seriously in defending our turf, Siem or Youn would think twice about trying to rob and steal from us.

Anonymous said...

The author must have forget that the Thais whooped our ass and took our land. So I don't see how he got his assessment. All Thailand need to do is fly into our airspace and fire at will and Cambodia will be destroyed. Did you forget 1979 when Vietnamese tanks rolled in. For hundred of years we lost every battle to save our land. So it is Cambodia that is still using the cold war era method for protection.

The Great Khmer Empire said...

5:40Am,
With all due respect, where and when did the Thai "whooped" our assess? Can you elaborate that and substantiate with concrete evidence? And please no personal attack. I would appreciate your courteus response.
As far as 1979 goes, it's obvious why it only took 2 weeks for the Viet army to invade. The mass population were against the regime. I don't need to go into details. We all live through it if you're old enough at least for my generation.

Anonymous said...

Vietnamese were able to go into Cambodia, but they could not control the country side and many parts of the country. Vietnamese solders were being killed daily by Cambodians. That is how I remember.

Anonymous said...

Thais can not control the south of Thailand. How can they able to control Cambodia? The US went to Vietname, but they had to retreat. This is other example that big and better arms don't mean a thing.

Anonymous said...

Why you guys keep coming here to Khmerization. You need to go back to KI. It seems Khmerization gain more popularity nowadays.

Anonymous said...

7:26Am,
It's call "Freedom of speech."

Anonymous said...

Davan's assessment is very rational. We have to discuss about our military capability based on facts, not based on propaganda and overstatement because it is dangerous. Comments in previous posts have always overstated the capability of our military to the point of propaganda or lying. This is dangerous. To fight a war we must know our strength and the strength of our enemy. Certainly, the truth hurts, but we must admit that our military capability is no match to the Thai military capability. As such we must admit this and try to build up our military and upgrade the skills of our soldiers and educate our officers more. We know our soldiers are brave and fierce fighters, but they lack the know how, military strategy, the weapons and the motivation to fight because they have not fed very well because of rampant corruption within the military.

Anonymous said...

...lack the know how and military strategy? Wrong, pal! I think that the best thing and the only thing that Cambodia have and that the only reason why Thais could not gain any ground with Cambodians in the front line. The Cambodian Army has the best art of the gerneral. Anything else I would agree with you but not this one-military strategy.

Anonymous said...

6:43 AM

History has shown that Our Land was taken by Thai`s. I don`t know what other evidence to give you to make that point but other than history.

Just because Thailand was not able to get control of the plot of land does not mean they don`t have the capabilities.

Now if you are talking about the will. Then yes Cambodia have the upper hand because of our strong nationalism but that`s only to a certain point. I don`t want to get into that.

The only reason Thailand have not unleash a full scale war is because political pressure and international attention that they do not want because they are bigger than us. Hell I would love it if they fly the F16 and bomb Hun Sen compound. There is a difference fighting a short term BATTLE or a long term WAR. Cambodia won the battle but how about the war?

Yes, most of the population did flow west and that helped make it easier for the Viet to enter but even if all the population was there. They still did`nt have a chance against the more sophisticated battle harden Viet. Just look at the Chinese in 1979.

For the south of Thailand, I do not know how you guys say they can`t control that when not one inch of land was ceded to anyone. There are different method to handle things. Have anyone heard any bombing lately in the south? I think Thaskin crush them pretty well.

I do hope Cambodia can take on Thailand by other means but surely not by war.

By the way the American did beat the the Viet. I do not know how you guys assess how they lost but just count the death on each side. Then you can conclude it yourself. And it was the Congress that stop funding the military that`s the reason why the American pulled out. If it have continued the American would surely win. They have plenty of bombs and the Soviet was starting to collapse.

Anonymous said...

All of the list Of Thai hardware some of them more than 30 years old and just more than 50% of those are still in service the communication of Thai new air plane not really communicated with the ship well as it should be the miss match of the technology .

In the last couple of day some people not who he said who he is tried to stir up the Khmer moral and the psychological we should put the trust on our army, the positive comment that created the debated is not the propaganda it about the psychological warfare against the Thais and may be some Thai get up set from the look at the comment you can tell who is Khmer who is not like The real Khmer never make any negative comment about our soldiers in the frontline, we don't have the money for the war like the evil neighbour ,we need money for development of our country education and something else.

If I say the Thai got no ability to invade us don't get upset with me the non-Khmer and it not the propaganda it is the reality I am not the military expert to humble opinion 500,000 shells landing in the Cambodia side it is not a joke it is testing for the Cambodian ability ability to defend .

PM Hun sen himself is a war veteran he is not the PM by birth he was the junior soldier before, his concern is on the air defend so why purchased 270 units of Chinese SAM, most of my family and friend are in the army one of my friend he is the top commander in the border, the only thing I can tell you Thai not going to beat us in the modern day , I have the inside sources, the only thing Cambodia never show off the military hardware in the unnecessary way.lately Thai official tried to bride Chinese official of the information of Chinese weaponry shipping to Cambodia.

Thai just bought long range BM 30 rockets from China Upset our former king badly he protest Chinese to stop further selling any rocket to the Thai.

War and the freedom of speak are differences why most of the gov keep their war machines secrets.

The Great Khmer Empire said...

10:02 Am,
I do respect your opinion, even though I disagree with your assessment.
I understand where you are coming from. I too have read the "Art of War" written by Sun Tzu. In a nutshell, the point of the book is to know your enemy capability before you pick a fight with them. I do see your points. Nonetheless, it's not that easy for a country to wage war against another country. For example, look at Afghanistan right now. The US and allies have all kinds of weapons and resources at their disposal, are they winning the war? I think not. They maybe winning the battles but not war.
Yes the Thai could have pushed our troops deep inside our territory,but what exactly prevented the Thai from doing so? Obviously, political pressure is one of them. The other maybe the Thai (I'm speculating) didn't want to risk their arm forces due to unkown stock piles of weapons in Cambodia; no real battle experience for any prolong war; and also risking their credibility as member of ASEAN by alienating other members. Whatever it is, we will never know. God bless our nation.

Anonymous said...

10:02 AM, I hate being presumtious but you feel that the almighty bad-ass Thailand military that consist of hundreds and thousands of fancy planes, tanks, warships, and artillery large and small..yada yada.. could easily overrun and conquer Cambodia within weeks, perhaps days? The reason why this hasn't happened was because of politics? Maybe so. Okay, so it could be the politic that kept Thailand from waging a full scale invasion of Cambodia to retake Preah Vihea and then some.

According to you, there is a difference between fighting a short term BATTLE and a long term WAR. Cambodia won the battle but how about the war? Okay..what about the war? Should you bet that Thailand will win the war over battles because of the weapons Thailand posseses? That answer should be base on Thailand war experience. Thailand had sucessfully kept itself from having any major war conflict in the most part of the 20th century. This certainly soften the battle-harden spirit of the military and the troops. Weapons cannot fight itself if the users lack the will to operate it. Another word, is the spirit, the will, and the determination of the Thai soldiers as great as their weapons?

If you have not realize, American go to war on regular basis in the 20th century, starting from WW1 1914-1918, WW2 1939-1945, Korean War 1950-1953, Vietnam War starting from mid 1950's to January 1973, Invasion of Grenda in 1983, Gulf War 1990-1991, and now war on terror started in 2001 - present that involve the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Why? For experience purpose of course. Agree with me or not, that's what all those wars sum up to. America must maintain that fighting edge capability. As far as Cambodia, she didn't go to war as much as America but she had experienced a war that lasted a total of over a quarter of a century. I'm not glorifying that war was good for Cambodia. What was good coming from those prolong wars were experiences. What is that telling you about Cambodian military. They are battle-harden. Most of those commanders were once Khmer Rouge soldiers. They had sustained in the battlefield for years. If they can sustain in the battlefield, they can sustain the war and prolong it. If Cambodia can prolong the war, the invading enemy will lose the will to fight. Vietnam invasion and occupation of Cambodia was a great example. At the end, Vietnam had no choice but to pullout and leave Hanoi Hun Sen to watch over Cambodia.

The sceneriors of Thailand invasion of Cambodia will almost be identical to Vietnam's version.
It always start out so great at first. The aftermath is what really matters. Can Thailand afford to invade, occupy, and ultimately conquer Cambodia? If you ask Cambodia, they will probably say," Well..try it to find out." If you asked the Thai, they would probably say," Hell yea.. we can take over Cambodia by storm in a very short period of time because we got kickass war toys like F-16s, JS-39 Gripen, Aircraft carrier, etc." As Cambodian, I will stick to the opinion of my fellow countrymen and the experience and confident of the Cambodian soldiers sitting in the foxholes along Cambodian/Thai border. This not a propaganda but just a wildest opinion of mind.

Anonymous said...

War will hurt on both sides, everyone knows that... But the question who hurst the most...

Make it clear, Thai has no plan to invade and capture the whole Cambodia like VN did in 1979. Thai's tactical move is to disrupt the plan of management of Preah Vihear. Make the border unsafe for any tourists.
that's the reason Thai so far is not ready to take a big offensive yet...

Plan is still in the working to prepare a full scale war with Cambodia.

It is better for Cambodian troops to train and train and upgrade and stock up the weapons. Time will come eventutally, brave, tough, battel scars, and experiences are not enough...Those soldiers who fought in civil war are too old now...

Anonymous said...

12:10AM, maybe so. Maybe Thai military is waiting for all those former Khmer Rouge soldiers and commanders in the Cambodian military to die off then wage a full scale invasion of Preah Vihear and Cambodia. Base on your assumtion, without those old experience guys, Cambodia military will be in worst shape than today and should open up a perfect opportunity for invasion. Well..shit.. Thailand shouldn't wait too long. The longer Thailand wait and linger, the more time will be allowed for Cambodia to strenghten her military. If and when that time come for Thailand to wage a full scale invasion of Cambodia, it would almost be too late, isn't it? Now Cambodia is a sitting duck. Shit, as bad-ass as the Thai military, why wait, why not put that military muscle to good use. Who cares about anything else because Thailand is one bad motherf!@ker. Thailand can kick Cambodia's ass and take land any day, right?