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Source:http://www.youtube.com/user/DNNTHAILAND
A lots of debates in the Thai parliament had taken place after 4-7 February 2011 border clashes between Cambodian and Thai troops. Many Thai academics and members of parliament are very concerned about the Thai image on the international stage of the way the government has handled of the Khmer-Thai conflict. One Thai MP made a passionate comment and I quote: "why we entered the Khmer territory and picked a fight with them? Khmers are always happy to shoot at us every time the clash happen because Khmers get more recognition from the international community. What if there's an intervention from the superpowers, what are we going to do?"
Some MPs are not happy with Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya's remark when he said that "Khmers dare to fight us because they got 4 superpowers as backers, why our foreign minister make more enemies?" Kasit's calling PM Hun Sen as a bad boy has also back fired. The bad boy label is cute but the bad old man is unacceptable", said one MP .
Many Thai academics are not happy with the way the current Thai government is dealing with Cambodia. Professor Songrit from Udon Thani University is one such academic. He said and I quote: "We always think if we use the 2000 MOU, it will put us in the disadvantage position. Why we do not realize that Cambodia might think that they are in the disadvantage position too? The boxers haven't started to enter the ring yet and we started arguing about the rules that the referee may use. We never try to understand what our neighbors want. We only know what we want and we only want our neighbors to be good to us. Beside, we have never been friendly to them, how can we get a long as a good neighbor because at any given day we may pick a fight. The Asean Secretary General, Dr Surin Pitsuwan who is a Thai national, wants to create a single ASEAN community where all member states are borderless and now we want to fight for the territory? Do any Thai politicians know all about Cambodian, Laotian and Vietnamese politicians? No! But our neighbors know our politicians to the last details, especially PM Hun Sen knows Thai politics from the inside out. He knows what Thailand wants, what Thais are thinking about Cambodia and he utilizes the situation to his advantage every time a problem or clash with us has occurred. He knows what to do, I am not saying we are not ready, but we have to realize that Khmer people went through the colonization, went through ethnic cleansing, went through civil war and all kinds of pressures and hardship that we Thais never encountered, and they don't want to go through that path again and they will fight at all cost."
Other academics have echoed his sentiment. "If there's a third party involvement, Thailand will be in difficult a situation. We have to realize that the third party is the person with full knowledge of laws and nothing to do with Thai laws anymore. It is out of our hand and we know what are the answers", said one law professor.
Dr. Sonai, on the interview with Thaivision TV, is very concerned about the international ramifications. He said and I quote. "In Thailand everybody cry loud about respecting the court verdict. How about the world court verdict? Don't we respect it if Thailand is a human body? The scars of Prear Vihear temple on our leg is very minimal. It is long gone. Why do we try to humiliate ourselves in the international stage?"
Some Thai commentators blamed the Thai mindset on the Thai education system."We have been brainwashed from generation to generation. Even a Sayan Sanya song (Khmer killed us like crabs& fish). How cruel are the Khmer people? I do not really know what our ancestors have committed sins with the Khmers, but this is the 21st century, so let it go, we sent our children overseas to study and see the world in Europe. It used to have boundaries with walls, but now the EU is without boundary", said a commentator from the Voice of the People TV.
Source:http://www.youtube.com/user/DNNTHAILAND
A lots of debates in the Thai parliament had taken place after 4-7 February 2011 border clashes between Cambodian and Thai troops. Many Thai academics and members of parliament are very concerned about the Thai image on the international stage of the way the government has handled of the Khmer-Thai conflict. One Thai MP made a passionate comment and I quote: "why we entered the Khmer territory and picked a fight with them? Khmers are always happy to shoot at us every time the clash happen because Khmers get more recognition from the international community. What if there's an intervention from the superpowers, what are we going to do?"
Some MPs are not happy with Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya's remark when he said that "Khmers dare to fight us because they got 4 superpowers as backers, why our foreign minister make more enemies?" Kasit's calling PM Hun Sen as a bad boy has also back fired. The bad boy label is cute but the bad old man is unacceptable", said one MP .
Many Thai academics are not happy with the way the current Thai government is dealing with Cambodia. Professor Songrit from Udon Thani University is one such academic. He said and I quote: "We always think if we use the 2000 MOU, it will put us in the disadvantage position. Why we do not realize that Cambodia might think that they are in the disadvantage position too? The boxers haven't started to enter the ring yet and we started arguing about the rules that the referee may use. We never try to understand what our neighbors want. We only know what we want and we only want our neighbors to be good to us. Beside, we have never been friendly to them, how can we get a long as a good neighbor because at any given day we may pick a fight. The Asean Secretary General, Dr Surin Pitsuwan who is a Thai national, wants to create a single ASEAN community where all member states are borderless and now we want to fight for the territory? Do any Thai politicians know all about Cambodian, Laotian and Vietnamese politicians? No! But our neighbors know our politicians to the last details, especially PM Hun Sen knows Thai politics from the inside out. He knows what Thailand wants, what Thais are thinking about Cambodia and he utilizes the situation to his advantage every time a problem or clash with us has occurred. He knows what to do, I am not saying we are not ready, but we have to realize that Khmer people went through the colonization, went through ethnic cleansing, went through civil war and all kinds of pressures and hardship that we Thais never encountered, and they don't want to go through that path again and they will fight at all cost."
Other academics have echoed his sentiment. "If there's a third party involvement, Thailand will be in difficult a situation. We have to realize that the third party is the person with full knowledge of laws and nothing to do with Thai laws anymore. It is out of our hand and we know what are the answers", said one law professor.
Dr. Sonai, on the interview with Thaivision TV, is very concerned about the international ramifications. He said and I quote. "In Thailand everybody cry loud about respecting the court verdict. How about the world court verdict? Don't we respect it if Thailand is a human body? The scars of Prear Vihear temple on our leg is very minimal. It is long gone. Why do we try to humiliate ourselves in the international stage?"
Some Thai commentators blamed the Thai mindset on the Thai education system."We have been brainwashed from generation to generation. Even a Sayan Sanya song (Khmer killed us like crabs& fish). How cruel are the Khmer people? I do not really know what our ancestors have committed sins with the Khmers, but this is the 21st century, so let it go, we sent our children overseas to study and see the world in Europe. It used to have boundaries with walls, but now the EU is without boundary", said a commentator from the Voice of the People TV.
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If Thai academics really want good result in Khmer Thai relationship to happen they must keep a steady voice in their media not just pumping theirs opinions out only after their government policy hits a snag.That I would called it hypocrisy.How about Thai religious leaders where are they?.I only see Asoke group who used the word Asoke without really know its meaning to come out and protest against Cambodia.
As an outsider now I start to believe that Thais are tricky people used academic as a tool for damage control.Keep your volume constant in a consistent way if you are sincere Thai academics! you can not fool too many people too many times.
Source: http://www.youtube.com/user/thaienews#p/u/52/TKGihnRnfd4
NBT NARI info date 9/7/2008
(PART I)
Talk show “ Preah Vihear Temple world heritage issues and the problems(in brief)
It is not the first time that we’ve the borders issue with our neighbors especially with Cambodia it not the first time that we’ve the issues at least couple times it is the scars of the history we want to see good friendship with the neighbors and how to cure the scars of the history with :
DR: Chanwit Kasetsiri
And DR: Suchart Bumrongsok vice chairman of julalongkorn university
Dr: Chanwit Kasetsiri:
If talking about history it about 1000 years a go Preah Vihear temple was built to my understanding took Cambodian king long time approximately 300 years to finish and this temple seem very important in that period .
After was defeated and lost capital city to Ayutthaya Cambodia have to abandon this temple Angkor wat temple we only known the name but we never study because it not in our history textbooks we never study how our neighbor lost their capital city , the truth is we invaded the Angkor wat and Cambodia have to move their capital city to Phnom Penh .
It not in our history textbooks and we should overhaul our history textbooks in the past we never have the borderline like this day and a lot of talk about the staircase to Preah Vihear from Thailand because in that time no(Thailand Laos Burma ) only the Khmer empire .
The dispute started about 101 years ago RAMA the fifth traveled oversea second time to Paris to sign the treaty with President of France and swap siem Reap buttambang and took back trat jantakburi make long story short we was force . at that time Preah vihear temple is in sovereignty of Indochina if we not swap we might lost the whole Siam .
6:06 PM, agreed. The name Asoke is supposed to suggest some sort of peaceful people, but this Thai Asoke sect is a bunch of extremist people who blindly attacked Cambodia and incited hatred and anger against Cambodia. Some Thai academics are real moderates, while some Thai opposition politicians who voiced opinions against the Thai aggression are doing it for political gains only. Remember that it was the Thaksin-friendly governments, the Samak Sundaravej and the Somchai Wongsawat governments, were the ones that ordered the Thai invasion of Preah Vihear in 2008. Now that they are in opposition and they need Cambodia to help bring back Thaksin to Thailand, they must act as though they are friendly with Cambodia and against the Thai aggression to show they are concered about the image of Thailand on the world stage and care about the welfare and wellbeing of the Thai people.
Source: http://www.youtube.com/user/thaienews#p/u/52/TKGihnRnfd4
NBT NARI info date 9/7/2008
(PART I)
Talk show “ Preah Vihear Temple world heritage issues and the problems(in brief)
It is not the first time that we’ve the borders issue with our neighbors especially with Cambodia it not the first time that we’ve the issues at least couple times it is the scars of the history we want to see good friendship with the neighbors and how to cure the scars of the history with :
DR: Chanwit Kasetsiri
And DR: Suchart Bumrongsok vice chairman of julalongkorn university
Dr: Chanwit Kasetsiri:
If talking about history it about 1000 years a go Preah Vihear temple was built to my understanding took Cambodian king long time approximately 300 years to finish and this temple seem very important in that period .
After was defeated and lost capital city to Ayutthaya Cambodia have to abandon this temple Angkor wat temple we only known the name but we never study because it not in our history textbooks we never study how our neighbor lost their capital city , the truth is we invaded the Angkor wat and Cambodia have to move their capital city to Phnom Penh .
It not in our history textbooks and we should overhaul our history textbooks in the past we never have the borderline like this day and a lot of talk about the staircase to Preah Vihear from Thailand because in that time no(Thailand Laos Burma ) only the Khmer empire .
(PART II)
It not in our history textbooks and we should overhaul our history textbooks in the past we never have the borderline like this day and a lot of talk about the staircase to Preah Vihear from Thailand because in that time no(Thailand Laos Burma ) only the Khmer empire .
The dispute started about 101 years ago RAMA the fifth traveled oversea second time to Paris to sign the treaty with President of France and swap siem Reap buttambang and took back trat jantakburi make long story short we was force . at that time Preah vihear temple is in sovereignty of Indochina if we not swap we might lost the whole Siam .
Some say we was cheated to my understanding it not true Siam quite happy because we’ve the sovereignty and we can live alongside our neighbor Indochina and we accepted Preah vihear temple is under sovereignty of Indochina and never have the issues .
Until Field Marshal Plaek Pibulsonggram become PM he urged Thai students to protest and exploited France weakness (Germany invaded france) go to war with France and captured siem reap buttambang sisophon after our friend japan lost in the world war II and Field Marshal Plaek Pibulsonggram government collapsed and the new government was established and we have to return all the 3 provinces to France .
After Field Marshal Plaek Pibulsonggram second coup detat successfully he sent troops to occupied Preah Vihear temple .
Source: http://www.youtube.com/user/thaienews#p/u/52/TKGihnRnfd4
NBT NARI info date 9/7/2008
(PART I)
Talk show “ Preah Vihear Temple world heritage issues and the problems(in brief)
It is not the first time that we’ve the borders issue with our neighbors especially with Cambodia it not the first time that we’ve the issues at least couple times it is the scars of the history we want to see good friendship with the neighbors and how to cure the scars of the history with :
DR: Chanwit Kasetsiri
And DR: Suchart Bumrongsok vice chairman of julalongkorn university
Dr: Chanwit Kasetsiri:
If talking about history it about 1000 years a go Preah Vihear temple was built to my understanding took Cambodian king long time approximately 300 years to finish and this temple seem very important in that period .
After was defeated and lost capital city to Ayutthaya Cambodia have to abandon this temple Angkor wat temple we only known the name but we never study because it not in our history textbooks we never study how our neighbor lost their capital city , the truth is we invaded the Angkor wat and Cambodia have to move their capital city to Phnom Penh .
(PART I)
Talk show “ Preah Vihear Temple world heritage issues and the problems(in brief)
It is not the first time that we’ve the borders issue with our neighbors especially with Cambodia it not the first time that we’ve the issues at least couple times it is the scars of the history we want to see good friendship with the neighbors and how to cure the scars of the history with :
DR: Chanwit Kasetsiri
And DR: Suchart Bumrongsok vice chairman of julalongkorn university
Dr: Chanwit Kasetsiri:
If talking about history it about 1000 years a go Preah Vihear temple was built to my understanding took Cambodian king long time approximately 300 years to finish and this temple seem very important in that period .
After was defeated and lost capital city to Ayutthaya Cambodia have to abandon this temple Angkor wat temple we only known the name but we never study because it not in our history textbooks we never study how our neighbor lost their capital city , the truth is we invaded the Angkor wat and Cambodia have to move their capital city to Phnom Penh .
(PART III)
After Cambodia got independent King Sihanouk asking Thailand to return Preah Vihear to Cambodia and we refused and end up with King Sihanouk took the case to ICJ and we lost the case it look like the black hole that we never get out from it.
We fallen to the black and we don’t have the ability to get out I think may calm for now Cambodia really happy they have been successfully register Preah Vihear temple as world heritage it is a victory in Khmer culture and there’s a big celebration in Cambodia because the temple are Cambodia hearts if we look at every regimes in Cambodia lon nol Khmer rouge there’s always the temples is on the flags don’t, ignite it will burn it is a symbol of Cambodian hearts .
Hun Sen government set priority on Preah Vihear temple as a duty of the nation every airport in Cambodia always a picture of preah Vihear temple to show everybody the temple is duty of the nation
(PART IV )
I would say Preah vihear temple is our internal politics is Thai with Thai use Cambodia as the scapegoat it is the first time in our history Thai society is divided I and DR Surachart talking here nobody listen I am quite concern.
We and Cambodia have borderline 800km we should have the clear borderline in the past 100 years we haven’t get it done yet . it really easy to negotiate with Cambodian government because Cambodia have only one government not like us too many sides .
In the past we talking about sovereignty but today we talking trading a few years ago the Thai actress and Angkor wat issues we lost a lot we have a big investment in Cambodia .
As professor teaching students I would say history textbooks are very importance we should know the real history.
(part v)
Dr: Chanwit Kasetsiri:
To my opinion the borderline is a new issue to our region if we turn back time before the colonization people in the region do not known what state they really belong to until one day westerner come and have the new ideas and started we want to know where the borderline and a lots of treaty happen around the world it have disadvantage to some and advantage to some if we say can we take back what we lost the answer is no it been long time if we ask Cambodia Laos agree to redrawn the borderline it not possible the changing of the borderline must agree by country involve and we have to accept that in the past Siam agree to pay a small price to keep siam if Siam not willingly accepted to sign the treaty May be today I am really fluent in French and English .
A lot of people said we have different document I don’t think so we’ve the same document as Cambodian have after we lost the case ( but I do not want to use the word lost a lot people may not happy with me) the reason we lost the case because we have accepted the annex map and the Preah Vihear temple is in the sovereignty of Indochina after France show us the map we asked france to print some copy of map for us as the evidences .
(PART VI)
The ICJ ruling “ preah Vihear temple is under sovereignty of Cambodia I repeat preah Vihear temple is under sovereignty of Cambodia “ if you say Cambodia only got the temple not the land surrounding may be not true after the ruling Thai government redrawn the map and leave Cambodia with only the temple but not the surrounding land .
After the ruling our government at that time address the nation “ event we disappointed with the verdict but we willing to accept the verdict and let Cambodia have the sovereignty over Preah Vihear temple”.
I think the right to appeal is 10 years but we never appeal until now day look like we accepted the verdict .
Prear vihear temple successful register as world heritage it not mean where is the borderline end.
If you ask me we use force to occupy Preah Vihear temple we cannot be the rightful owner otherwise we will be outlaw country .
Innocent ignorant or lack of genuine history text book is understandable. But to have a (motherfucking) guy with a degree from Oxford pretending not to know SE Asian history is a big embarrassment to ASEAN as a World Entity. Especially if that guy is happen to be a PM of the ASEAN Co-founder nation don't you Thai academics agree? I have Oxford Encyclopedia of SE Asia history in pdf form which I read from time to time.It also is a big embarrassment to a prestigious university of England. It is easy to wake up an asleep man but you can not wake a pretending sleeper up that easily.Power hungry could turn an intellectual to become a dirt cheap soul worthy enough to be Thai PM only. That is why he is willing to work for his military establishment boss.This person has no shame but have big fame of receiving shit bags from his own citizens.
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