Extremist yellow PAD demonstration near Khmer Preah Vihear Temple
Since the conflicts have flared up between the two countries which caused by the reclaim of its right over the Preah Vihear temple and the land surroundings by Thailnd, the Thais always base their valid arguments on as the followings:
- The only accessible gate way to the Khmer Preah Vihear temple is made on the Thai soil. So the temple must be joint-listed.
- To make the temple really becomes the World Heritage site, the temple must be listed with all other sunbordinates that are now existing in the Thai soil and the temple must be co-managed between Thailand and Cambodia.
- The verdict of International Court of Justice (ICJ) in 1962 gives Cambodia only the temple, but not the surounding land.
- The ICJ did not demarcate the border line between the two countries, so the borderline is not known and the 4.6km square is not clear to which country it belongs.
- The Frencch made-map has a problem, because the map has its basis on the wathershed of the two countries as the borderlines, but the case of Preah Vihear temple it does not follow the wathershed at all, so Thailand must disagree with it.
- The wathershed of the two countries has been changed gradually due to the geographical change caused by the environment, so the new agreement to redemarcate of the two countries´s borderlines must be set by the Thais to reasured its rights according to the watershed basis.
- The map made by the France that controlled Cambodia is considered as biased and unfair. With this, Thailand must reject it.
These are the arguments that I have collected on many forums argued by the Thais. So please all beloved Cambodians voice your words to counterargue with the Thais. Your counterarguments will become invaluable contributions of knowledge for our compatriot to equip themselves with effetive information.
In Sodarity
Notice: My counterargument will be posted later.
11 comments:
You know, whatever the Thai reasons are about Preah Vihear, it all a bunch of bullshit. They are making up these irrelenvance reasons for the sake of augument to obtain Phreah Vihear. Thailand wishes to have some sort of co-management of Preah Vihear soley for economic and business reasons, but not necessary national heritage.
Prior to Preah Vihear listing under UNESCO, a nearby town on Thailand side had been enjoying tourism business boom. However; after Cambodia listed Preah Vihear under UNESCO, it triggered shockwaves of confusion throughout Thailand. All these times, Thai citizens had been falsely educated that Preah Vihear was part of Thailand. The reason why Thai citizens can come and go to visit Preah Vihear was base on a quiet agreement after ICJ in 1962 between Cambodia and Thailand. However; Thai government saw an opening on behalf of Cambodia and manipulated this agreement to its advantage by falsifying text books and maps in Thai language. After 47years later, Thai government had brainwashed its citizens into thinking that Preah Vihear belongs to Thailand. The misinformed Thai couldn't comprehend the loss of Preah Vihear or losing anything of Thailand and overly reacted without reasons. That is why Cambodia and Thailand are in this situation.
Cambodian government must no longer giving in into any deal making with Thailand because Thailand will over times, use it against Cambodia. Cambodia are very easily fooled because, like many Cambodian, they are very easily trusted with just a few sweet words. And because of this, the result of Cambodia's good deeds toward Thailand turned out to be a bad deeds. As Cambodian like to say" TWUER BON, BAN BAAB", in English" DO GOOD DEEDS, RECEIVED BAD DEEDS". This tended to be the results when dealing with people or nations that are historicaly selfish and ungrateful.
Thailand wishes to have some sort of co-management of Preah Vihear soley for economic and business reasons, but not necessary national heritage. as business as usual can lead to destruction of the temple because there no heart and soul put to it. We Khmer die for Preah vihear!!!!
242 you have 95% of it right!!!! and maybe more...thai always use preah vihear to cause conflict with us.sometime to test khmer surin loyal, the other to test our strength. during the khmer rouge they did not dared come near it.
***Reply to Thai's argument***
1. The only accessible gate way to the Khmer Preah Vihear temple is made on the Thai soil. So the temple must be joint-listed.
Answer: No sense. The previous Cambodian territory extends on the present Thai soil. That's why the border of Thailand and Cambodia is demarcated closed to the Preah Vihear's stairs.
2.To make the temple really becomes the World Heritage site, the temple must be listed with all other sunbordinates that are now existing in the Thai soil and the temple must be co-managed between Thailand and Cambodia.
Answer: We have another solution rather than joint benefit with Thailand. Since the temple and its surrounding area are situated in Cambodia, based on French-Thai map, Thai doesn't have any right to claim for benefit, based on Preah Vihear temple. Since the borderline separates the temple in Cambodia and its remaining sites in Thailand, Thai can request its own site as another heritage site, based on UNESCO's decision.
3. The verdict of International Court of Justice (ICJ) in 1962 gives Cambodia only the temple, but not the surounding land.
The ICJ did not demarcate the border line between the two countries, so the borderline is not known and the 4.6km square is not clear to which country it belongs.
Answer: ICJ claims Preah Vihear as a world heritage site based on French-Thai map 1904-1907. France and Thai made a talk whether or not they accepted the watershed as the borderline. However, it was just a note during meeting. It's not an official treaty or agreement. The official agreement and map (official paper) was sent to Thailand. Thailand signed and accepted officially and then requested more copies from France. It was about half century before International Court ruled that Preah Vihear is in Cambodia's territory. ICJ doesn't have to re-demarcate the borderline because there was the French-Thai 1904-1907 map and treaty that determines the Thai-Cambodia's borderline. Even though ICJ didn't demarcate the borderline between the two country, Thailand must accept the International Law which was declared by UN. Every country has its own sovereignty and must be protected, based on their map, which is recognized internationally. The map that was drawn by Thailand is an unacceptable map or a fraud map. Weather in purpose or not, it is against the international law.
4. The Frencch made-map has a problem, because the map has its basis on the wathershed of the two countries as the borderlines, but the case of Preah Vihear temple it does not follow the wathershed at all, so Thailand must disagree with it.
Answer: The map is based on watershed, but the map doesn't include Preah Vihear and surrounding area in Thailand. Thus, Thai must accept. It is not a technical problem. It is about official map and treaty between Thailand and France.
Be Continued...
By KVY
5. The wathershed of the two countries has been changed gradually due to the geographical change caused by the environment, so the new agreement to redemarcate of the two countries´s borderlines must be set by the Thais to reasured its rights according to the watershed basis.
Answer: Is there only Thailand can demarcate the borderline clearly? Cambodia doesn't have any Geographic technician? Even though there is a change due to environment, the French-Thai map can determine based on the previous watershed line. Every map has its own scale on earth. Thus, every demarcation must base on the previous watershed line in the map.
6. The map made by the France that controlled Cambodia is considered as biased and unfair. With this, Thailand must reject it.
Answer: There is no fair or unfair during the colony. Every country lost its territory. For example, Cambodia lost KamPuchea Krom to Vietnam, China lost its land to Russia, India lost its land to China. India lost its land to Pakistan. Some Japanese islands controlled by United States. Korean lost its island to Japan.
If seeing back 1000 years ago (before 13th A.D.), Cambodia lost the whole Thailand in the present. If Thailand can ask and get the surrounding area of Preah Vihear, I dare to lost Preah Vihear, but please give me back all provinces that Cambodia lost to you. So it's fair together. Sic!
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by KVY
Son of Empire,
Very good collections of the Thai arguments about which country owns Preah Vihear.
The answers are not hard to find.
1. The 1908 Treaty maps signed between Cambodia and Thailand put Preah Vihear and its surrounding lands entirely inside Cambodia.
2. Prince Damrong, as Thai Minister of Interior, asked for the 1908 treaty maps. 50 maps were given to Thailand after the treaty and Thailand never disputed the maps. How come only now?
3. In 1929 Prince Damrong visited Preah Vihear temple and the French officials, who were Cambodia's colonial administrators, were at Preah vihear to receive the Prince and during the Prince's visit the French flag, not Thai flag, was flown at the temple.
4. International Court of Justice's verdict of 1962 awarded Preah Vihear and its surrounding lands to Cambodia. One of the verdicts said "Thailand must withdraw troops, police and guards from the temple and its vicinity".
5. Lastly, Thailand accepted the 1907 treaty and the 1908 maps for 100 years, why it just make a claim to Preah Vihear now?
The Thai arguments did not have any merits at all. They just wanted to take advantage now because Cambodian leaders, especially Hun Sen, have not done enough to resolve the current Preah Vihear issue with Thailand. Cambodia should take the matter to Asean, UN or International Court of justice.
Yo Yo Yo!
Dear Sokhoeun,
First, thanks so much for make a wonderful contribution to my blog. Secondly, your article is very good. The angle of the article that you have chosen would help trigger and generate more debates about this sad issue. I hope the Cambodian leaders would pick up your ideas and arguments for considerations in their future negotiations with the Thai side. Great article.
Khmerization
No need to express our opinion as Thai are quite stupid to understand this. If they can understand then there should not be any argument till now.
I think can dream. Luckily already that Cambodian government didn't request the world heritage about that whole province of Thailand to be returned back to Cambodia. The provinces of Si Sa Ket is former Khmer's province. I think HUN SEN should request the Thai to return that province back because the Khmer built this temple it was in part of Khmer empire. So the temple stair way is still in Khmer's soil no matter where the causeway leads to.
I really like when people are expressing their opinion and thought. So I like the way you are writing
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