A Change of Guard

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Saturday 17 May 2014

Are China and Vietnam on the Verge of Another War? [In 1979, The Soviet Union put military pressures on China from the north, that's why China withdrew troops from Vietnam's territory. This time who will help Vietnam?]

By Parameswaran Ponnudurai
2014-05-16 RFA
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Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung (2nd L) watches soldiers operating a Russian-made anti-aircraft S-300 missile guiding system as he visits the air defense missile battalion No. 64 belonging to the Air Force's division No. 361 in Hanoi, Jan. 13, 2014. /AFP
When China and Vietnam last went to war, both suffered a bloody nose although it was Beijing which fired the first salvo and wanted to teach Hanoi a “lesson.” 


Thirty-five years later, as deadly anti-China riots wreak havoc this week across Vietnam and push Sino-Vietnamese relations to their lowest levels since the 1979 war, some are asking whether the two Communist neighbors will trade blows again. And if they do, who will prevail?

While the two archrivals are unlikely to risk full-blown battles over their overlapping territorial claims in the South China Sea, matters could still spiral out of control, analysts said, as Vietnamese mobs burned factories and attacked Chinese nationals to vent their anger over Beijing’s deployment of an oil rig in contested waters off Vietnam’s coast.

“China's armed forces are larger and better equipped than Vietnam's, so if a conflict does break out China will ultimately prevail,” Ian Storey, a security expert at the Singapore-based Institute of Southeast Asian Studies, told RFA. 

“However, over the past few years, Vietnam has acquired advanced air and naval assets which, if push came to shove, could give China a bloody nose,” he said. 

“Also, despite China's numerical advantages, we must never underestimate the fighting qualities of the Vietnamese armed forces—a lesson the French, Americans, and Chinese learned at great cost in the second half of the 20th century,” Storey said.

In their last war, China launched the offensive in response to Vietnam's invasion and occupation of Cambodia in 1978 that ended the rule of the notorious Chinese-backed Khmer Rouge. 

Then Chinese supreme leader Deng Xiaoping vowed to teach the Vietnamese "a lesson," as he ordered troops into Vietnam’s northern provinces. But hardly six weeks after the offensive, Chinese troops withdrew following heavy casualties. Tens of thousands of combatants died on both sides.

A war today between the two powers would be different, however, experts say.

China and Vietnam have beefed up their forces on the back of their until-recently rapidly growing economies.

“The 1979 border war was purely a one-dimensional conflict involving land forces only,” noted Carl Thayer, a professor at the University of New South Wales in Australia. 

“Any conflict between China and Vietnam today would be largely two dimensional using air and maritime forces,” he told RFA, predicting that the Chinese navy would overwhelm any force that Vietnam puts to sea. 

“Vietnam has no experience and has not practiced for a conventional engagement at sea. China could easily strike Vietnam naval bases and make matters worse,” he said. “The Chinese Air Force would be instrumental in this.”

Chinese Navy

The rapidly expanding Chinese Navy, which commissioned 17 new warships last year, the most of any nation, unleashed its first aircraft carrier in 2012.  

Two other carriers are expected to enter service by 2025, significantly beefing up its ability to project power into the South China Sea, which it claims virtually in its entirety.

On the other hand, Vietnam’s greatest deterrent, its Kilo-submarines, are not operational, said Thayer, a Vietnam military expert. "They have experienced difficulties in communicating."

Perhaps for such reasons, Vietnam, which has been reeling from an economic crisis over the last few years, has prudently kept its navy and air force out of the current confrontation, he said.

In a show of force, China has deployed 86 ships of nine different types to protect the oil drilling rig called HD 981, parked in disputed waters south of the Paracel Islands.

The Chinese fleet includes naval ships such as the anti-missile ship 534 Jianghu II, fast-attack missile crafts 752, 753 and 754, and the most recently commissioned anti-submarine ship 786, according to reports.

Chinese helicopters and aircraft have also been dispatched to shore up protection of the rig, some of which are believed to have flown 200 to 300 meters (656 to 984 feet) above Vietnamese vessels in an apparent bid to prevent them from trying to disrupt the rig’s placement and operations.

Chinese vessels had rammed Vietnamese coast guard ships and turned water cannon on those that approached the rig.

Hardest-line actions

Such actions have, even by the more aggressive standards of recent years, probably been the hardest-line actions taken by Beijing in the South China Sea in 20 years, said Joshua Kurlantzick, a Southeast Asia expert at the New York-based Council on Foreign Relations. 

"And China shows no sign of backing down," he said.

There is a “real threat" that acts of brinksmanship, like the ramming of Vietnamese vessels, "could escalate quickly,” the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) warned in a recent report.

Still, it believes that Vietnam’s relative naval capabilities will likely help temper Chinese assertiveness.

Despite the presence of Chinese naval vessels around the oil rig, it appeared that only Chinese Coast Guard vessels were involved in harassing and deterring Vietnamese ships attempting to enter the waters around the rig, CSIS said. 

It called on Vietnam’s neighbors and external partners, such as the United States, to use every available channel to urge caution on both sides.

'Serious concern'

U.S. Vice-President Joseph Biden underscored to a visiting Chinese military leader on Thursday “the United States' serious concern about China's unilateral actions in waters disputed with Vietnam," his office said in a statement.

"The vice president reaffirmed that while the United States does not take a position on the competing territorial claims, no nation should take provocative steps to advance claims over disputed areas in a manner that undermines peace and stability in the region."

But Chinese General Fang Fenghui, chief of the general staff of the People's Liberation Army,  made it clear that Beijing believes the oil drilling is in China's territorial waters and said, "we cannot afford to lose an inch" of that territory, which, he said, has been passed down by ancestors.

Despite the harsh rhetoric and tense sea skirmishes, Hanoi and Beijing are still using diplomatic channels to relay their concerns to each other.

When reports emerged on Thursday that that up to 21 people may have been killed in the anti-China riots, China's foreign minister Wang Yi told Vietnamese Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Pham Binh Minh in an urgent phone call that "Vietnam bears unshirkable responsibility for the violent attacks against Chinese companies and nationals,” the official Chinese news agency Xinhua said in a report.

Working group

China also sent a working group, led by Assistant Foreign Minister Liu Jianchao, to Vietnam on Thursday to deal with the aftermath of the riots, Xinhua said.

Hanoi, on the other hand, has “strongly denounced" China's actions and demanded that it pull its oil rig and helicopters from Vietnam's exclusive economic zone and continental shelf, and "not pursue similar actions in future,” according to state media.

"It's in neither countries' interests to go to war in the South China Sea," Storey said. "And this reduces the likelihood of war.” 

“That said, there's always the risk that an incident at sea leads to an exchange of gunfire which then escalates into a serious military conflict between Vietnam and China.”

He said the "very tense situation" prevailing now  "is likely to persist until the floating exploratory rig is withdrawn by China in August, as announced by Beijing.

Thayer too does not see the prospects of another war on the scale of the six-week war in 1979. 

“Holding and defending land is one matter, fighting at sea to defend a claim to an Exclusive Economic Zone is another,” he said.

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

I disagree with this article on one point, that China won't consider going to a full scale naval battle. When it come to her territorial integrity, China isn't afraid of a full scale war

Anonymous said...

The United States of Assmerica is ready to help Vietnamese. China would not dare to go to war with Vietnam.

Anonymous said...

all wrong thought. china and vietnam government are get along every well just cambodia and viet nam

Anonymous said...

What planet are you from? The u.s will not put their troops in harms way unless her interest is compromised. Vietnam is playing in very peculiar position. Her economy is weakened for the past few years and China is one of Vietnam biggest investors. Go figure

Anonymous said...

YUON was so scare China that why YUON cry like that. Look YUON take lao and cambodia .They never said a word and all was so happy because YUON can do anything and get it what they want.How many poor khmer families in Province KRA CHESS that YUON destroy all their home lately ?
YUON never care. The world should look all YUON action to Cambodia please.

Anonymous said...

from the poster above [The United States of Assmerica is ready to help Vietnamese. China would not dare to go to war with Vietnam. ]

how little you the world of politic and politicians... they all lie to get their way...but if you betray them they turn on YOU in a heart beat... just look at saddam and gaddafi... the US and the EU will not interfere unless their pocket books are involved... and china has a lot dollars in its bank reserve... it could dump it and all the dollars that the rich khmers hold in their hands will become useless there , only worth something in america itself...and that is one of the reason the US bankers who run the states fear the most.the president and congress are just their tools , they are bought and paid for by the bankers/corporations once elected; that is why they are all millionaires by the time they leave the gov offices. by the way china, russia and iran are working on it right now to do away with the need for US dollars for business transactions among themselves and other countries might join in -- south america and africa...

Anonymous said...

12:42 am poster, how little you are educated. You are probably a Vietnamese dreaming that America will help your country. Vietnam are in deep troubles now because the most reliable ally U.S.S.R is now just Russian Federation. Russian can't or will not come to your rescue like in the past.

When it's come to economic and political interests to the U.S People Republic of China is more important. China trade with each other some $425 billions yearly. While Vietnam may be around $15 billions. Plus, America borrowed almost $ 1.3 trillions from China to help her economy gets out one of the worst depression since the great depression in late 20's. Now, China consumers powers of some 1.25 billions peoples compare to 80 millions Vietnamese. China is now heading toward the world 2 Superpowers in economic and military. U.S will not risks her financial interests for a former adversary Communist Vietnam. U.S only helps her close allies like Japan, South Korea, Philipines. U.S naval mights had been weaken lately due to budget cuts. PRC naval powers had been multiply in this decades. Chinese military had a lot more highly technology now since 1979 when PRC fought a half-hearted land border war where only PLA ( China People Liberation Army, ground only) involved. China voluntary withdrawn not Vietnamese counter attacks that forced her to leave Vietnam.

This coming war with Viets might be just what Beijing needs to test all her newly built high tech weaponaries. Here are some of the weapons that the Viets will have to deal with if they confront China head on:
Coming J-20, J-31 Stealth aircraft, Stealth drones, J-11, J-10B, coming J-15 naval fighter bombers, JH-7BH attack aircraft, now commission aircraft carrier with J-15 naval fighter bombmer aircraft, Type 052H modern Destroyers, a few soviet bought anti-ship destroyers, Frigets warship, fast attack boats, fast attack sumbmarine,a few nuclear powers sumbmarine, anti-ship ballastic missles the only country in the world to deploy it, many modern first class short, medium, long range SAM systems, ten of thousands of modern 155mm self propel artillery systems, anti-satelite missles, some full time professional 2.3 millions well-trained and well-fed soldiers, millions more reserve forces. Don't forget a rapidly growing modern NUCLEAR MISSLES forces and the mean to deliver to pin point accuracy.

So as Cambodian been the victims of a hypocrite Vietnamese for many decades. All I can say is China please finish the jobs that you had started in 1979. Revenge your fallen comrades. Redeem your name.

Anonymous said...

Vietnam hanoi is a gangster in south east asia they want to be a super power and always expand the land never stop but now may be have to be knockout by china soviet can afford the war so vietnam hanoi may be fell of in the sea this time,I want them to be nice live together with their neighbor,

Anonymous said...

Please us don't help hanoi because hanoi is the the bad one in the world , and don't think hanoi that hanoi will say thank you to us if I know in the history hanoi is crocodile they don't care who was help them before should learn more about hanoi

Anonymous said...

vietnam will be friend with china forever. they play trick with US.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

US is in the process of transferring nuclear technology to VN despite the strong protestion from Thailand.
VN has assembled her physic scientists to develop nuclear technology for civilian and military.
VN hopes in the next 10- 15 years , they are capable to master the technology know how. But it will take VN another five to ten years to build nuclear deterrent capacity.

Anonymous said...

ha ha hanoi will be wipe out of the mape if he dare to figth with china.karma we support our chinese friend.american never forget the wound that lose the war by cheated veitcong.GOD will punish the bad veit soon.

Anonymous said...

If Vietnam goes to war with China no one will help Vietnam this time. In 1979 China invaded north Vietnam in response to Vietnam's invasion of Cambodia, but China withdrew troops 2 months later because of a threat from the Soviet Union. Before Vietnam invaded Cambodia it signed a treaty with the Soviet Union that requires them to help each other, that's why Vietnam was not afraid to invade Cambodia because it thinks China would not dare to protect Cambodia, but China did.

This time, Russia is too weak economically and it has no interests to help Vietnam. America will not help Vietnam militarily because there is no longer a cold war or ideological differences. America might help China politically or diplomatically, but not militarily like in the 1960s and 1970s. At that time America needed to contain the southward movements of communism, known as the "domino effect", but now communism is dead. Now America is only concerned about China's influence in Southeast Asia and America only need to contain China politically and diplomatically, not militarily at this present time.

Anonymous said...

All this talk about Vietnam is pure bullshit.

We know that Vietnam is like a prostitute and known for using anything to win the war. Vietnam knows that they cannot afford to start another war.

What China will need to do is teach the Vietnamese once and for all.

Karma must be learnt.

Anonymous said...

It is a suitable time for war for China and Vietnam as the US swift its focus on Russia.
The US 100% sure need support from China on Russia issue.