Bangkok Post
Cambodia On Thursday argued hard against
Thailand's evidence regarding Phnom Penh's acceptance of the barbed-wire
fence ordered to be put up by the Thai cabinet around Preah Vihear
after the 1962 International Court of Justice ruling, and described the
claim that Cambodia falsified maps as groundless.
Cambodian counsel Rodman Bundy
Rodman Bundy, one of the Cambodian lawyers, told the ICJ hearing in
The Hague that Cambodia did not falsify the map as alleged by the Thai
legal team. It only tried to delete a line that appeared in the Annex I
map, known as the 1:200,000-scale map.
"We have not falsified the map as claimed by Thailand. But in fact,
Thailand has attempted to limit our vicinity by setting up their own
border line without our approval," he said.
Mr Bundy said although the court disseminated the Annex map 85D in
the original judgement, it did not mention what this map used to refer
to, and there was no need for the court to reconsider it despite the
issue being raised by Thailand.
Alina Miron, a Romanian lawyer who is a member of the Thai legal
team, told the court on Wednesday that Annex map 85D was one part of the
big map the court reproduced to describe the temple's vicinity and the
areas in which Thailand would have to withdraw its military.
Mr Bundy said it was pointless trying to merge the map with the
current map presented to the court because Cambodia had not asked the
court to look for the border line in the original case.
Mr Bundy said the barbed-wire fence erected by Thailand in 1962
around Preah Vihear Temple was not a border line as claimed by Thailand.
It was done without any credible guideline, including the principle of a
watershed line.
Moreover, the visit to Preah Vihear by the late Prince Norodom
Sihanouk after the 1962 ruling was different from the visit of Thailand's Prince Damrong Rajanubhab to the temple before the ruling.
Prince Sihanouk protested over the issue several times in 1967,1968
and 1969 and he did not walk across the fence because he did not want to
create a problem with Thailand.
He insisted the ICJ had already accepted the temple vicinity being
included into Annex I. The temple's vicinity covered areas under the
Annex I map and reached to the east and the west of a crosspoint agreed
by the two countries.
7 comments:
Thank goodness for Cambodia for having the best Team of International Lawyers to defend her. When it is all said and done, the 3 intellectual giants and must be honored and commemorated in Cambodia. They must be made honorable citizens of Cambodia. Their statues must be erected in the Preah Vihear Province. With them around, Cambodia feels safe and defended. Thailand's team is no match at all. Ethernal thanks to Mr. Rodman Bundy of the good old USA, Sir Franklin Berman of England, and Mr. Jean-Mark Sorel of France.
Let not celebrate too soon my friend, but wait for the Holiday to be here first. When the rulling comes and Cambodia win; the 3 lawyers must fully compensated even to the extend of erecting their statues or ingraving their names on Preah Wihear Temple. Cambodia MUST put up fences along his border NOT border posts. Border posts are placed to sparelingly apart and can be easily moved and encrochment between posts will continue to take place.I know it's costly, but in the long run we will save lots of money and lives. Pay and equiped our border guards well and not a grain salt will get through our border without being notice. Our border guards must be trained to follow the rule of "an eye for an eye"; treat our neightbore the way they treated us. Let them know that respect can NOT be bought but is ERANED.
True, I would not celebrate too soon even though our legal team presented the best evidences we still have to wait for the judge's decision.
With the evidences - the maps and the 1962 judgment on our side - we are confident that we have a much better chance of winning. However, the only worry is that the judge might think that the court and they have no jurisdiction to judge the case and therefore dismiss Cambodia's lawsuit. If that's what will happen, then Thailand will keep the parcel of land it had invaded and occupied. Then Cambodia might not accept it because it is Cambodian territory. However, if the court judged the land to belong to Cambodia then Thailand might not accept it either and armed clashes might follow suit.
I hope and pary that war will not take place between these two nations. As a Khmer I've seen enough sufferings and devastions to last me a life time, but if these baboons want war; Cambodia MUST be willing to all out.
Now we have Khmer Language (Google Translate):
ប្រទេសកម្ពុជាកាលពីថ្ងៃព្រហស្បតិ៍បានអះអាងថាសរឹងប្រឆាំងនឹងភស្តុតាងរបស់ប្រទេសថៃទាក់ទងនឹងការទទួលយករាជធានីភ្នំពេញនៃរបង barbed-លួសបានបញ្ជាអោយនឹងត្រូវបានដាក់ឡើងដោយគណៈរដ្ឋមន្ដ្រីថៃនៅជុំវិញប្រាសាទព្រះវិហារបន្ទាប់ពីតុលាការអន្ដរជាតិឆ្នាំ 1962 នៃការកាន់អំណាចយុតិ្តធម៌និងការពិពណ៌នាអំពីបណ្តឹងដែលថាប្រទេសកម្ពុជា falsified ផែនទីថាជា groundless នេះ។
ការប្រឹក្សារបស់ Rodman ប្រទេសកម្ពុជា Bundy
Rodman Bundy មួយរបស់មេធាវីកម្ពុជាបានប្រាប់សវនាការតុលាការក្រុងឡាអេនៅក្នុងទីក្រុងឡាអេថាប្រទេសកម្ពុជាមិនបាន falsify ផែនទីនេះជាការចោទប្រកាន់ដោយក្រុមអ្នកច្បាប់របស់ថៃ។ វាគ្រាន់តែព្យាយាមលុបបន្ទាត់នោះបានបង្ហាញខ្លួននៅក្នុងឧបសម្ព័ន្ធផែនទីដែលខ្ញុំបានគេស្គាល់ថាជាផែនទី 1:200,000 ខ្នាតមួយ។
"យើងមិនបាន falsified ផែនទីអះអាងថាដោយប្រទេសថៃ។ ប៉ុន្តែជាការពិតប្រទេសថៃបានព្យាយាមដើម្បីកំណត់តំបន់ជុំវិញរបស់យើងដោយការបង្កើតបន្ទាត់ព្រំដែនរបស់ពួកគេផ្ទាល់ដោយមិនចាំបាច់មានការអនុម័តរបស់យើង" លោកបាននិយាយថា។
លោកបានឱ្យដឹងថាទោះបីជា Bundy តុលាការបានផ្សព្វផ្សាយផែនទីឧបសម្ព័ន្ធ 85D នៅក្នុងសាលក្រមដើមវាមិនបានបង្ហាញពីអ្វីដែលផែនទីនេះដែលត្រូវបានប្រើដើម្បីយោងទៅហើយមានតម្រូវការនោះទេសម្រាប់តុលាការដើម្បីពិចារណាវាបើទោះបីជាបញ្ហានេះត្រូវបានលើកឡើងដោយប្រទេសថៃ។
Alina Miron ដែលជាមេធាវីរបស់រ៉ូម៉ានីដែលជាសមាជិកនៃក្រុមអ្នកច្បាប់ថៃមួយបានប្រាប់តុលាការនៅថ្ងៃពុធនេះថាឧបសម្ព័ន្ធផែនទី 85D គឺជាផ្នែកមួយនៃផែនទីដ៏ធំមួយដែលតុលាការឡើងវិញដើម្បីពិពណ៌នាអំពីតំបន់ជុំវិញប្រាសាទព្រះវិហារនិងតំបន់នៅក្នុងការដែលប្រទេសថៃនឹងមានការដក យោធារបស់ខ្លួន។
លោក Bundy និយាយថាវាជាការព្យាយាមដើម្បី pointless បញ្ចូលចូលគ្នាជាមួយនឹងផែនទីផែនទីបច្ចុប្បន្នដែលបានបង្ហាញទៅកាន់តុលាការនោះទេពីព្រោះប្រទេសកម្ពុជាបានមិនបានស្នើសុំតុលាការដើម្បីរកមើលសម្រាប់បន្ទាត់ព្រំដែននៅក្នុងករណីដើម។
លោក Bundy បាននិយាយថារបងលួស barbed-កសាងដោយប្រទេសថៃនៅឆ្នាំ 1962 នៅជុំវិញប្រាសាទព្រះវិហារមិនមែនជាបន្ទាត់ព្រំដែនមួយដែលជាការអះអាងដោយប្រទេសថៃ។ វាត្រូវបានធ្វើដោយមិនគួរឱ្យជឿការណែនាំណាមួយឡើយរួមទាំងគោលការណ៍នៃបន្ទាត់ទីជម្រាលមួយ។
លើសពីនេះទៅទៀតដំណើរទស្សនកិច្ចទៅកាន់ប្រាសាទព្រះវិហារដោយចុងព្រះអង្គម្ចាស់នរោត្តមសីហនុបន្ទាប់ពីសាលក្រមឆ្នាំ 1962 នោះគឺខុសគ្នាពីដំណើរទស្សនកិច្ចរបស់ព្រះអង្គម្ចាស់ Damrong របស់ប្រទេសថៃ Rajanubhab ទៅព្រះវិហារបរិសុទ្ធមុនពេលដែលសេចក្តីសម្រេចនេះ។
សម្ដេចសីហនុបានធ្វើការតវ៉ានៅលើបញ្ហានេះជាច្រើនដងនៅក្នុង 1967,1968 និងឆ្នាំ 1969 ហើយគាត់មិនបានដើរឆ្លងកាត់របងនោះទេព្រោះលោកមិនចង់បង្កើតបញ្ហាជាមួយប្រទេសថៃ។
The Court must have seen enough merit in Cambodia's lawsuit to have granted both parties to present their complaints. If not so, it would have been a waste of time to reopen this historical case.
Cambodia sought [is seeking] the Court's clarification of its 1962 verdict, particularly, the definition of 'vicinity' which the Thais are now claiming is ill-defined.
The Court is not being asked to change its 1962 verdict; merely to make things clearer to both sides, particularly, to Thailand, who is following its own unilateral maps instead of the maps [Annex 1] applied and recognised by the Court in 1962, and also for several years, by Thai authorities themselves.
In short, the on-going hearings reflect the Court's judgement or sentiment that it bears the legal duty to do the best it can to spell things out to both sides in both technical and legal terms.
This is only my understanding as a lay and non-legal observer.
-Kouprey
Agreed, we should honored ALL Cambodia's Team to the ICJ but just these three passionated, justices, honorable, experts legal counsels. We MUST waited for the ICJ interpretations late this year ( DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TO WAIT THIS LONG EVIDENCES ARE ALREADY THERE).
To safeguard our border well against these thieving neighbors WE MUST TRAIN OUR BORDER GUARDS WELL WHERE THE REAL BORDERS LINES ARE. WE MUST GIVE THEM A CLEAR GUIDELINES TO DO THEIR JOBS. GOVERNMENT & OUR POPULATIONS MUST BE FULLY BACK UP OUR TROOPS FOR LEGAL ACTIONS THEY TAKE.
WE MUST ARMED OUR TROOPS WELL SUCH AS SAM SYSTEMS, BEST SNIPER RIFLES, 155MM LONG RANGE ARTILLERY SYSTEMS, BEST OBSERVATION EQUIPMENTS ( such as night vision, infared systems, GPS etc etc) A WELL BACK UP
REINFORCEMENTS TROOPS, UPGRADE OUR ARMORED DIVISIONS, PLACE MOTION SENSORS ALL AROUND AREAS
THAT WE CAN'T GUARD, BARBED WIRED
AROUND SENSITIVE AREAS. ABOVE ALL TREATED SIAM WITH RUTELSS FORCES WHEN THEY CROSSED UNTO OUR
TERRITORIES PURPOSELY.
THEY MUST BE RUTELESS BUT YET NOT COMMITED WAR CRIMES.
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