Sar Kheng (top) and Hun Sen (below).
A few days ago, I put forward a question to readers of “Hun Sen and Sar Kheng: Who do you want to be prime minister of Cambodia?” Many readers had made their contributions to the debate and the overwhelming majority of readers had chosen Sar Kheng over Hun Sen. However, many of the comments are too short to publish and I have chosen only three full length articles to publish in the main page of Khmerization blog. Here they are. Please enjoy your reading:
By Anonymous…..
The long rivalry between Hun Sen and Sar Kheng has of course attracted interests from long-term Cambodian political observers since at least in the mid 1980s, but particularly around early 1994 when the victorious Funcinpec Party and the vanquished Cambodian People’s Party (CPP) were trying to form a coalition government.
Right after the election in September 1993, when the Funcinpec Party and the CPP formed a provisional coalition government, Hun Sen, using his executive power as a Second Prime Minister, appointed all people from his faction from the CPP to the newly-formed government.
This action of Hun Sen has angered the Chea Sim-Sar Kheng faction as they viewed Hun Sen’s action as an attempt to sideline them from the new government altogether. Chea Sim sent Sar Kheng to negotiate with Hun Sen to get a fair share of the government positions for his loyalists. I remembered that Sar Kheng had come out of the negotiation, which took part inside Hun Sen’s house, very angry that Hun Sen did not want to share the positions with his loyalists. However after that angry confrontation between Hun Sen and Sar Kheng, some of Sar Kheng’s loyalists were appointed to the positions within the coalition government. Afterward diplomats and political observers viewed the resurrection of the Chea Sim-Sar Kheng faction as a sign of its immense influences within the CPP, as has been reported by Nate Thayer in the Phnom Penh Post.
However, in around September of 1994, Hun Sen had cleverly managed to significantly weaken the Chea Sim-Sar Kheng faction by inventing a fake coup and accused the Chea-Sim Sar Kheng faction of being behind that coup. Many of Chea Sim’s and Sar Kheng’s loyalists like Sing Song, Minister of Security, Sin Sin, a powerful police chief, and Prince Norodom Chakrapong, son of King Sihanouk and also deputy prime minister from the CPP, were accused of plotting a coup against Hun Sen and were arrested. Chakrapong was freed after an intervention from Funcinpec Party and exiled to France. Many of Chea Sim’s and Sar Kheng’s powerful people, like many police chiefs, have been either arrested demoted or sacked. There was a rumor that Hun Sen also planned to arrest Sar Kheng or sack him, but backed down at the advice of Prince Norodom Ranariddh, the first prime minister, and only after Sar Kheng’s loyalists had threatened bloodshed if Sar Kheng is arrested or sacked.
Now, let’s us go back to the question of who I want to be prime minister of Cambodia. Frankly, if have the choice, I would choose neither of them because both were brutal ex-communist leaders who had committed crimes of genocide when they served under the Khmer Rouge regime in the 1970s. However, if I have to choose between the two, I would choose the lesser of the two evils, and that is I would choose Sar Kheng.
My reason for choosing Sar Kheng over Hun Sen is this: that Hun Sen has been presiding over a very dictatorial, brutal and corrupt government for the last 33 years. Under his reign, human rights abuses, corruption and mismanagement are rampant. Land grabbing and forced evictions have intensified and land concessions to foreign companies, sometimes at the expense of poor land owners, have been awarded to foreign companies, leaving many poor farmers landless. Unemployment rate has not been reduced and poverty not been improved either. His behavior is erratic and sometimes maniac and uncompromising.
Despite my grim assessment of Hun Sen’s rule, I have to give him some credits where credits are due. In the last 10 years, we have seen an influx of foreign investments to Cambodia, we’ve seen better roads were built and a rise in the developments and constructions in around some major cities, such Phnom Penh, Siem Reap and Sihanoukville etc.
Consequently, these so-called achievements, in my opinions, have outweighed the benefits that the ordinary people have received due to mismanagement and corruption. These developments and constructions have affected many poor land owners when their lands were forcibly confiscated to make way for developments and most of the money received from the investments has mostly gone into the pockets of corrupt officials.
Sar Kheng, on the other hands, has never been a tested leader because he is always in the shadow of Mr. Hun Sen or Chea Sim. But his behavior is consistent and compromising as he has proven to be a very moderate, less corrupt and capable leader. All his children have never been in trouble with the law or the public. On the other hand, Hun Sen’s children and his relatives, especially his nephews like Hun To, Nhim Sophea and Hun Chea, are bad boys who have committed serious crimes, but still roam free under the protection of Mr. Hun Sen.
I believe that Sar Kheng will be more democratic and more open to criticism and more receptive to the oppositions than Hun Sen. He seem to be more caring about the wellbeing of the people, such as on many occasions, he had expressed sympathy with the people who had been abused by officials, as has been proven when he ordered the arrests of those who shot three garment workers recently.
At this moment, it remains impossible for Sar Kheng to wrestle power from Hun Sen, either through democratic means or military means because Hun Sen is deeply entrenched politically and militarily. He had put all his loyalists in all the powerful positions and, importantly, he had significantly weakened the Chea Sim-Sar Kheng faction to the point of near destruction. Many of Chea Sim-Sar Kheng’s loyalists, like Ke Kimyan, former Commander-in-Chief, Moek Dara, former anti-drug chief, Chhoeun Chanthan, Chea Sim’s ex-body guard chief, Pheng Kunthea Borey, Chea Sim’s chief of protocol, etc were also arrested with dubious charges.
In conclusion, with my analysis above, I strongly believe that Sar Kheng would make a better prime minister than Hun Sen. What does everybody think?
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The Great Khmer Empire said...
In my opinion, choosing between the 2 individuals is like choosing the lesser evil. You have to play the cards you are dealt with.
I would choose Sar Kheng over Hun Sen in terms of putting the people's interest first over his personal interests. True, we don't know much about the political life of Sar Kheng, however, the last good deed he did was finding justice for the garment workers who had been shot. He sought and arrested the perpetrators. He cited (pharaprasing) that we're a nation of civilized society unlike that of the Khmer Rouge regime.
I do believe he is more moderate than Hun Sen.
Hun Sen has done many good things to improve the infrastructure of Cambodia. But, as a leader of a nation, you're supposed to do that anyway. He built many schools and roads. He attracted many foreign investors to the country. Relatively speaking, he had provided a stable political climate in the country.
On the contrary, many will argue that Hun Sen lacks the necessary leadership skills to lead Cambodia. He only holds on to power because of his military control and of his dictatorial style of oppression. But one must not forget that he won every elections since 1997, fair or not is debatable. He is arguably the longest reigning leader in Khmer history.
In conclusion, I would choose Sar Kheng over Hun Sen for the pure fact of change. "Change" is good. We need a fresh politics. We need a fresh face. We need new visions. I've yet to see any long term visions provided by any of our leaders. If Sar Kheng becomes the next prime minister, I believe there will be more opportunity for the opposition parties to expand.
I want to point out that I neither a CPP supporter nor the supporter of the opposition parties. I support the party who offers unity, growth, and respect for personal freedom.
When I pointed out the lists of accomplishments of Hun Sen, I only listed as facts, not my opinions. Also, before I listed those accomplishments, I did state that all those things are done by any leader of a country because it's their job to do so. There was nothing outstanding at all about Hun Sen’s resume. The moderator stated that I have to give the "Pros" and "Cons." He also stated that I have to choose between the 2 men, Hun Sen or Sar Kheng. If there is a third choice or the 4th, there is no doubt I would choose the latter.
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Anonymous said...
All along people like me know Hun Sen as a strong man and a tough man, a Vietnamese puppet, a villain ruling a remote destitute land of Southeast Asia and the list goes on and on. There is nothing wrong with individuals in the organization or party or country to compete with one another in different ways. Some competitions are fair and some other are so so...
Cambodia has been long known to possess people with good leadership when those people are still immature to be at the helm of their power. However, once he/she reached the top food chain of command, things have changed for the worst or even turned into a catastrophic proportion, like when Cambodia was ruled by the Khmer Rouge from 1975-1979.
Hun Sen has best managed himself to capture a trophy of Cambodia’s erratic political sportsmanship status, meaning that winning is absolutely must be achieved at all cost. He knows quite well how to assimilate himself with the strong backers and willing to sacrifice/share some of the earmarks toward the followers whether they support him or not based on rewards but not leadership characters. Hun Sen's management the quantity of his political matrix has been so far steering toward the opportunity to capture what he perceives as the evidence based justification of day-to-day events. All these styles of his leadership, nevertheless, have been producing physical achievements, but negligently missing the point of desire of the whole purpose of trickling down to the bottom.
Hun Sen's political maneuvering to outsmart his Cambodian opponents has been outstanding of long list records, but he had never been able to outsmart his rivals in neighboring countries. His charms of rewards and punishments are served as a dual spearhead to gain control of respect of the name of a decisive character of an authoritarian individual, but not in the name of legitimate individual earning his marksmanship. But in the Cambodian society, sometimes the period of postwar turmoil/turbulence may somewhat be required that sort of leadership style but will suffer and could dismantle the fabric of society in the long run, especially for the young generations. Unfortunately, Cambodians have to choose between the two devils, the rotten apple or the rotten orange.
Sar Kheng, otherwise, looks innocent in Cambodia’s political playing field. I know very little about him but most Cambodians may have known him much more... However, he has been in the footstep of a rocky drama of Hun Sen's political grip for a long time. There is a string attached to the style of his leadership from the same point of source, meaning the CPP. The level of Sar Kheng's political consciousness of attempting to play a good political Samaritian in the Cambodia's knee-jerking politics is somewhat outdated but may well be taken into considerations and could get well established if and only if there is enough support the within ruling CPP. Sar Kheng should know himself best when he comes to play the political cards with Hun Sen, but this guy (Sar Kheng) chooses the backdoor ways of taking the breath of fresh air and let the course of his leadership ambition formulating by itself. This style is not working for his best interests and his group but only serves himself in keeping his post. So making the story short, Sar Kheng possesses good characters and attitudes of a good governor, but he lacks the decisive decision making process to control the crisis and managing the magnitude of state affairs. However, he may be a fast learner and hopes that people around him are willing to give their hands, if, by luck and fortunes, to elevate to the position of Cambodia’s new PM.
By Anonymous…..
The long rivalry between Hun Sen and Sar Kheng has of course attracted interests from long-term Cambodian political observers since at least in the mid 1980s, but particularly around early 1994 when the victorious Funcinpec Party and the vanquished Cambodian People’s Party (CPP) were trying to form a coalition government.
Right after the election in September 1993, when the Funcinpec Party and the CPP formed a provisional coalition government, Hun Sen, using his executive power as a Second Prime Minister, appointed all people from his faction from the CPP to the newly-formed government.
This action of Hun Sen has angered the Chea Sim-Sar Kheng faction as they viewed Hun Sen’s action as an attempt to sideline them from the new government altogether. Chea Sim sent Sar Kheng to negotiate with Hun Sen to get a fair share of the government positions for his loyalists. I remembered that Sar Kheng had come out of the negotiation, which took part inside Hun Sen’s house, very angry that Hun Sen did not want to share the positions with his loyalists. However after that angry confrontation between Hun Sen and Sar Kheng, some of Sar Kheng’s loyalists were appointed to the positions within the coalition government. Afterward diplomats and political observers viewed the resurrection of the Chea Sim-Sar Kheng faction as a sign of its immense influences within the CPP, as has been reported by Nate Thayer in the Phnom Penh Post.
However, in around September of 1994, Hun Sen had cleverly managed to significantly weaken the Chea Sim-Sar Kheng faction by inventing a fake coup and accused the Chea-Sim Sar Kheng faction of being behind that coup. Many of Chea Sim’s and Sar Kheng’s loyalists like Sing Song, Minister of Security, Sin Sin, a powerful police chief, and Prince Norodom Chakrapong, son of King Sihanouk and also deputy prime minister from the CPP, were accused of plotting a coup against Hun Sen and were arrested. Chakrapong was freed after an intervention from Funcinpec Party and exiled to France. Many of Chea Sim’s and Sar Kheng’s powerful people, like many police chiefs, have been either arrested demoted or sacked. There was a rumor that Hun Sen also planned to arrest Sar Kheng or sack him, but backed down at the advice of Prince Norodom Ranariddh, the first prime minister, and only after Sar Kheng’s loyalists had threatened bloodshed if Sar Kheng is arrested or sacked.
Now, let’s us go back to the question of who I want to be prime minister of Cambodia. Frankly, if have the choice, I would choose neither of them because both were brutal ex-communist leaders who had committed crimes of genocide when they served under the Khmer Rouge regime in the 1970s. However, if I have to choose between the two, I would choose the lesser of the two evils, and that is I would choose Sar Kheng.
My reason for choosing Sar Kheng over Hun Sen is this: that Hun Sen has been presiding over a very dictatorial, brutal and corrupt government for the last 33 years. Under his reign, human rights abuses, corruption and mismanagement are rampant. Land grabbing and forced evictions have intensified and land concessions to foreign companies, sometimes at the expense of poor land owners, have been awarded to foreign companies, leaving many poor farmers landless. Unemployment rate has not been reduced and poverty not been improved either. His behavior is erratic and sometimes maniac and uncompromising.
Despite my grim assessment of Hun Sen’s rule, I have to give him some credits where credits are due. In the last 10 years, we have seen an influx of foreign investments to Cambodia, we’ve seen better roads were built and a rise in the developments and constructions in around some major cities, such Phnom Penh, Siem Reap and Sihanoukville etc.
Consequently, these so-called achievements, in my opinions, have outweighed the benefits that the ordinary people have received due to mismanagement and corruption. These developments and constructions have affected many poor land owners when their lands were forcibly confiscated to make way for developments and most of the money received from the investments has mostly gone into the pockets of corrupt officials.
Sar Kheng, on the other hands, has never been a tested leader because he is always in the shadow of Mr. Hun Sen or Chea Sim. But his behavior is consistent and compromising as he has proven to be a very moderate, less corrupt and capable leader. All his children have never been in trouble with the law or the public. On the other hand, Hun Sen’s children and his relatives, especially his nephews like Hun To, Nhim Sophea and Hun Chea, are bad boys who have committed serious crimes, but still roam free under the protection of Mr. Hun Sen.
I believe that Sar Kheng will be more democratic and more open to criticism and more receptive to the oppositions than Hun Sen. He seem to be more caring about the wellbeing of the people, such as on many occasions, he had expressed sympathy with the people who had been abused by officials, as has been proven when he ordered the arrests of those who shot three garment workers recently.
At this moment, it remains impossible for Sar Kheng to wrestle power from Hun Sen, either through democratic means or military means because Hun Sen is deeply entrenched politically and militarily. He had put all his loyalists in all the powerful positions and, importantly, he had significantly weakened the Chea Sim-Sar Kheng faction to the point of near destruction. Many of Chea Sim-Sar Kheng’s loyalists, like Ke Kimyan, former Commander-in-Chief, Moek Dara, former anti-drug chief, Chhoeun Chanthan, Chea Sim’s ex-body guard chief, Pheng Kunthea Borey, Chea Sim’s chief of protocol, etc were also arrested with dubious charges.
In conclusion, with my analysis above, I strongly believe that Sar Kheng would make a better prime minister than Hun Sen. What does everybody think?
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The Great Khmer Empire said...
In my opinion, choosing between the 2 individuals is like choosing the lesser evil. You have to play the cards you are dealt with.
I would choose Sar Kheng over Hun Sen in terms of putting the people's interest first over his personal interests. True, we don't know much about the political life of Sar Kheng, however, the last good deed he did was finding justice for the garment workers who had been shot. He sought and arrested the perpetrators. He cited (pharaprasing) that we're a nation of civilized society unlike that of the Khmer Rouge regime.
I do believe he is more moderate than Hun Sen.
Hun Sen has done many good things to improve the infrastructure of Cambodia. But, as a leader of a nation, you're supposed to do that anyway. He built many schools and roads. He attracted many foreign investors to the country. Relatively speaking, he had provided a stable political climate in the country.
On the contrary, many will argue that Hun Sen lacks the necessary leadership skills to lead Cambodia. He only holds on to power because of his military control and of his dictatorial style of oppression. But one must not forget that he won every elections since 1997, fair or not is debatable. He is arguably the longest reigning leader in Khmer history.
In conclusion, I would choose Sar Kheng over Hun Sen for the pure fact of change. "Change" is good. We need a fresh politics. We need a fresh face. We need new visions. I've yet to see any long term visions provided by any of our leaders. If Sar Kheng becomes the next prime minister, I believe there will be more opportunity for the opposition parties to expand.
I want to point out that I neither a CPP supporter nor the supporter of the opposition parties. I support the party who offers unity, growth, and respect for personal freedom.
When I pointed out the lists of accomplishments of Hun Sen, I only listed as facts, not my opinions. Also, before I listed those accomplishments, I did state that all those things are done by any leader of a country because it's their job to do so. There was nothing outstanding at all about Hun Sen’s resume. The moderator stated that I have to give the "Pros" and "Cons." He also stated that I have to choose between the 2 men, Hun Sen or Sar Kheng. If there is a third choice or the 4th, there is no doubt I would choose the latter.
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Anonymous said...
All along people like me know Hun Sen as a strong man and a tough man, a Vietnamese puppet, a villain ruling a remote destitute land of Southeast Asia and the list goes on and on. There is nothing wrong with individuals in the organization or party or country to compete with one another in different ways. Some competitions are fair and some other are so so...
Cambodia has been long known to possess people with good leadership when those people are still immature to be at the helm of their power. However, once he/she reached the top food chain of command, things have changed for the worst or even turned into a catastrophic proportion, like when Cambodia was ruled by the Khmer Rouge from 1975-1979.
Hun Sen has best managed himself to capture a trophy of Cambodia’s erratic political sportsmanship status, meaning that winning is absolutely must be achieved at all cost. He knows quite well how to assimilate himself with the strong backers and willing to sacrifice/share some of the earmarks toward the followers whether they support him or not based on rewards but not leadership characters. Hun Sen's management the quantity of his political matrix has been so far steering toward the opportunity to capture what he perceives as the evidence based justification of day-to-day events. All these styles of his leadership, nevertheless, have been producing physical achievements, but negligently missing the point of desire of the whole purpose of trickling down to the bottom.
Hun Sen's political maneuvering to outsmart his Cambodian opponents has been outstanding of long list records, but he had never been able to outsmart his rivals in neighboring countries. His charms of rewards and punishments are served as a dual spearhead to gain control of respect of the name of a decisive character of an authoritarian individual, but not in the name of legitimate individual earning his marksmanship. But in the Cambodian society, sometimes the period of postwar turmoil/turbulence may somewhat be required that sort of leadership style but will suffer and could dismantle the fabric of society in the long run, especially for the young generations. Unfortunately, Cambodians have to choose between the two devils, the rotten apple or the rotten orange.
Sar Kheng, otherwise, looks innocent in Cambodia’s political playing field. I know very little about him but most Cambodians may have known him much more... However, he has been in the footstep of a rocky drama of Hun Sen's political grip for a long time. There is a string attached to the style of his leadership from the same point of source, meaning the CPP. The level of Sar Kheng's political consciousness of attempting to play a good political Samaritian in the Cambodia's knee-jerking politics is somewhat outdated but may well be taken into considerations and could get well established if and only if there is enough support the within ruling CPP. Sar Kheng should know himself best when he comes to play the political cards with Hun Sen, but this guy (Sar Kheng) chooses the backdoor ways of taking the breath of fresh air and let the course of his leadership ambition formulating by itself. This style is not working for his best interests and his group but only serves himself in keeping his post. So making the story short, Sar Kheng possesses good characters and attitudes of a good governor, but he lacks the decisive decision making process to control the crisis and managing the magnitude of state affairs. However, he may be a fast learner and hopes that people around him are willing to give their hands, if, by luck and fortunes, to elevate to the position of Cambodia’s new PM.
28 comments:
Dear all, very nice to see your long comment.
I agree with these about articles. I alway wrote and told everyone here that, don`t expect that opposition party can take power in this coming election. Just increase member in parliament is enough. Both of Sar Keng and Hun Sen are not good enough to manage the country in proper way, but if we compare among these two, Sar Keng is better like what mentioned in above comments.
To change or reform our country, we don`t need the extremist, pro-government or oppositio. We need the man like people posted above comments. You have the right opinion and view. The moderate like you are needed and can help our poor nation.
I want to meet the bloger " Great Khmer Empire" and discuss how we can help or educate people. We can`t take weapon or protest like other country. Hun Sen will kill them. Education, raising awareness of democratic should be done through NGO or private school eductation not under brain-washing by thos devil. Please aware that Hun Sen is planing to put his sun as successor, and his son share the same GENE, even he has been educated in western country but during his stay in Cambodia after returning home, he was completely brainwashed and got much influence from his father. Under this clang, now way, we can escape from VN and raising democratic voice. Sar keng is still moderate and will respect people like what above bloger`s comment.
I agree with the three comments above. Both Hun Sen and Sar Kheng are not angels, they are of similar kind, but if we have to choose between them we must choose the lesser evil. Sar Kheng is seen as the lesser evil and I also believe that he is better than Hun Sen- more moderate, less corrupt and care more about the people and country than Hun Sen ever did. Hun Sen most of the time only care about his money and power.
As long as CPP is in power followed by Hun Sen's son, Cambodia will never grow to its potential. Having to choose between the two evils is like choosing to be eaten by a crocodile or a tiger. Hun Sen is the most evil dictator still alive, of course noone can ever be a match to this uneducated monster.
To moderator: Can we have a look at the pros and con between Hun Sen to say Hitler, Gaddafi or Saddam Hussien. They may be more of a match.
Since,Sar Keng has seen all the abusive style leading of Hun's clan, Sar Keng can be as good experience leader who could unite all faction in the country.
whatever the best for cambodia and its people the change is need.
I will support any one who stand again Hun Sen
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None of CPP family ties will be the next Prime Minister.
So many CPP family-in-law (Khmer mixed with Yuon) and CPP Yuon cronies.
99.99 % of Khmer people (of all races) will not vote for CPP. All good Khmer people will build their military forces to protect the Khmer nation, people, sovereignty, their freedom, rights, equal opportunities, and so on.
All Khmer people will out all the family ties (Khmer mixed with Yuon bloods) and CPP Yuon cronies who are thieves of the Khmer nation.
Only 0.01 % of dumb Khmer mixed with Yuon blood will vote for CPP family ties (Hun Sen, Chea Sim, Sar Kheng, Sok An, etc.) and CPP crooks who are the most corrupted and weirdest people in the world.
Thank you Khmerization and some commentators for posting Biography of Sar Kheng. now I know him better.
These are very good opinions and I strongly support the comments that if there are only options between the two, Sar Kheng would be less evil to choose. But those would have made Sar Kheng becoming unwarm and even more vulnerable to be troublesome...... It has been very sensitive for Hun Sen for quite a longtime. Anyway, let's hope that nothing is heppening badly with Sar Kheng and other innocent Cambodian people. May God bless you all!
5:52 AM.
-99.99 % of Khmer people (of all races) will not vote for CPP.
Not sure where you got your numbers from. Not as high as your number but it is the very same people who have voted for Prime Minister Hun Sen for the past 20 years. These same people are also Khmer. Believe it or not, Prime Minister Hun Sen will win this election, he controls all province with military officers.
Sar Kheng may not be as evil as Prime Minister Hun Sen, but he has seen Hun Sen political regime. Even if he was in power after Prime Minister Hun Sen after the election, he will also use the iron-hand grip to control the country.
-Only 0.01 % of dumb Khmer mixed with Yuon blood will vote for CPP.
Your number is wrong again. You should educate yourself if you are going to use numbers to win your argument. The Vietnamese population is much higher then 0.01%. Prime Minister Hun Sen is also of Vietnamese blood, so are his offspring, very soon, our nation will merge to strengthen our economic and policies.
A number of you above talk like you have a choice of choosing who to replace Hun Sen.
Sar Kheng has not been in power yet and has not yet dealt with local and foreign tycoons and Vietnam directly so of course he appears to be better!
Let us say he were better in term of protecting Cambodia's interests at the expense of the other generals', officials', businessmen's and Vietnamese interest, how, on earth, do you think he would get the power?
1:33 PM
If we drop the racism blame game, imagine Cambodia and Laos and Vietnam combined into one economy would be like? There is no reason that the three countries should live apart. We can model this block like the EU and we must work out the details very carefully so all can benefit and no misunderstanding.
1:49PM
Agree. Power must be earned by toppling power. Who in the CPP has more power than Hun Sen himself? I take this post as a survey only. This is all home grown politic gossip. In real life, if you are a nail that sticks out, they will hammer you down. If Sar Kheng and Hun Sen play office swap, would Sar Kheng last for a week? :) He would be disposed in 1 day by the military, or not even that, he would be stabbed like Ceasar his in Palace by the Senators on day 1.
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ដូច កែ គឹមយ៉ាន លាក់អាវុធ យកដីរដ្នជាកម្មសិទ្ធ
លក់រាប់រយលានដុល្លា គ្មានជាប់គុកអ្វីសោះ គ្រាន់
អ្វើការផ្លាស់ប្តូរដំណែងប៉ុណ្ណោះ។
អ្នកដែលចេះអែបអប សំរបខ្លួនដើម្បីដុល្លាគេគ៏ខ្លាយជាឩញ៉ា បែជាអាអ្នកចេះតែថា ក្រឳយរហាម
ជូនកាលស្លាប់ខ្លួនទៀត។
ខ្មែរមិនអាចគេចផុតពី បក្សពួកនិយម គ្រួសារនិយម ពុករលួយទេ ។
appines
This is what turn people off on Cambodian politic.
Base on Pan Sovann statement, Hun Sen/Chea Sim/Heng Samrin were the suspect of antivietnamese at the time. What make them become a Viet Puppet ???
Can anyone explain ???
Base on Nate Thayer report on 1993, Hun Sen camp is more educated and more moderate than Sakheng/Chea Sim camp.
Is this just a matter of opinion or facts ????
28 February 2012 7:28 AM, Lets send them to sit in as witness in ICC or ECCC, we will see how educated these Vietminh are. Agree?
Whoever controls the guns, will control the country. Even though Sar Kheng and a few of his PM friends get the financial backing from the United States, they have no chance against Hun Sen at this point. They can only try to test the water from time to time. Most of us dose not know that Sar Kheng gets his money from the U. S. and The U. S. has tried to influent some CPP members to lean toward the West. We all need to understand about conflict within CPP. It’s a lot more serious than the conflict with opposition parties. In the matter of facts, the oppositions are pretty much just clinging on to life support. Hun does not afraid of any opposition party, but he more vigilant when it comes to the CPP. The water that keeps the boat afloat is the same that could sink the board. Hun Sen knows it well. He has learned the history from Prince Norodom Sihanouk before him.
Sar Kheng would not be a good leader, if we make the comparison between him and Hun Sen. He does not do well in public speaking. He so stuttering when he speaks in public and he lock of charisma. I don’t believe he be able to unite the country. Only handful officers secretly support him. Every time he tries to give order, he fails completely. No one actually listen to him. Those officers pretty much are kicking can down the road by refuse to take any responsibility or action.
When it comes to build a democrat society, we have to be careful what we are wishing for, because grass is not always green on the other side. We had gone there before. I’m not sure that we will survive the next time around. Just look at the Arab Spring, the whole situation is pretty going up the creek. If we are going to establish a democratic reform, we can not use American democracy to impose upon the Cambodian society. It’s not going to work. We need to figure out our own democracy base on our way of life. We should not love what other people have, but rather learn to appreciate what we have, so we should really need to define our democracy.
Khmerization wants us to comment on certain topic, and that what I'm try to do. You can call me Vietnamese dog or whatever, it not going to hurt my feel. I have my opion and you have yours. I'm certain love your comment as much as other. I understand your hatred, but the topic does not base on hate, so let all of us grow up.
Cambodian government officials always become defensive whenever their actions and conducts are under the spotlight. I once witnessed a meeting between a Battambang governor [plus his subordinates] and a group of EU representatives over an EU funded social infrastructure upgrade project in Battambang.
One senior Khmer official, without even being pressed, warned the foreign visitors about the harm in "imposing outsiders' ideas and will upon Cambodia"; a warning to which one of the EU guests - a British professor of urban planning - shot back in irritation: Do they really think we are 'idiotic' enough to impose such things upon them?! [telling the interpreter to convey the response to the Cambodians].
I brought up this incident to show just how unconstructive and evasive Cambodian officials can be. On the one hand, they are perfectly happy to ask for foreign aid and funding by typically drawing up a long list of problems and short-comings in need of repair or solution, and yet at the same time using the "imposition" defence to shield their conducts and corrupt practices from scrutiny!
In fact, just like the issue of "democracy" itself, no outsiders are in any realistic position to "impose" anything upon Cambodia - that can only be done by the Cambodians [RGC] themselves! [unless, foreign donors are united in seeking a regime change in the country, which is far from being the case so far . . .]
The incident above took place in 1993 when UNTAC was still in Cambodia trying to supervise the election and implement the Paris Accords.
Kouprey
Khmerization support CPP regime!
It is very clear that Khmerization allows the Vietnam to control Cambodia via CPP. Khmerization is a CPP trick!!!
Why? Khmerization delete the messages from bloggers who are against CPP regime. Khmerization is Fake!
We will make an announcement to VOA and Radio that Khmerization is scandal. Don't donate the money to this Khmerization and its main website of Khmerization is Ki-Media
Khmer people don't read their website, go to Khmer posted and do google search for Khmer News.
Yes, we just found out that Khmerization and Ki-media are both scandal.
Stay away from fake Khmerization (Vietnamization)
11:57 PM, I have warned commenters repeatedly not to use profanities and offensive language in this forum. It seemed that many people, including you, did not heed the message. Your comments contained unacceptable language, such as calling other people "dogs" and using racial slurs. Therefore they cannot be allowed to be published in this forum. If you want your voice to heard, please refrain from using profanities and offensive language. Thank you.
I totally agree with Khmerization 100%. Some people just doesn't get it. Many readers had attacked me personally when I wrote an article within the parameters of the moderator. They accused of me of being a supporter of the CPP and many insults. However, I did not respond to them because it would only infuriate the situation. I know who I am and what i believe in.
I disagreed with many bloggers such as Khmer Yeung and School of Vice. But I did it in a tasteful way. I did not attacked them personally.
But don't you know that School of vice is Khmerization himself, 9:48 AM?
To Khmerization,
11:57 PM is obviously paid to be here to discredit your site.
"It is very clear that Khmerization allows the Vietnam to control Cambodia via CPP. Khmerization is a CPP trick!!!"
This kind of messages have no evidence and therefore serves no purpose here. I am here to get information as well as many others here. Please dont go easy on these idiots. He is here to serve the CPP agenda, does DAP news dares to have an open discussion?
To Great Khmer Empire, I have replied to your comments many times. To me your name is very misleading, simply because you support CPP. Your article was within the parameters, but it lacks in in-depth details, for example you praise Hun Sen in creating stable politics, infrastructure and among other things (within the parameters but lacks in details)
I have agreed with Khmer Yerng a few times, as I have stated his reasons can be extreme and often leads to calling others youns -which often leads to nowhere.
To Khmerization. Can we use the term "dogs" within the parameters? To me, The Great Khmer Empire is a CPP dog, simply because he is barking the same lines lacking in common sense and logic, then fails to defend his reasons when questioned.
12:53 PM, You have explained yourself very well. I appreciate your contributions in this forum. However, I do not approve of you using the word "dog" to describe another human-being simply because they have a different political view from us. Great Khmer Empire might have a different view from us, but he is a human being, not a dog.
I wish to state here again that, if readers do not engage the debate in a civilised manner and still engage in name-calling, I would just set the comment mode to moderation mode and deleted all comments that contained profanities and offensive language.
In my views, the reasons why Cambodia is still under CPP regime and Hun Sen ironfist for the past 32 years is because exactly of this.
Oppositions always try to be fair and justice. Often they like to debate in civilized manners. Whereas, the ruling government will continues to take advantage of the opposition team by using the ironfist -power, money and guns.
My point is, opposition talks to much. Cambodians politics talks to much. Talking for the past 30 years, including negotiations have led to nowhere but giving more powers to the ruling government -As seen with many oppositions fleeing the country or asking for help from outsiders.
As i have mentioned i do NOT enjoy the use of name callings, but only to CPP supporters. Simply because CPP supporters are often cowards when confronted with questions, hiding or avoiding topics, then say they are not affiliated with any parties or consider themselves as "higher class" -havent we heard the same line for the past years?
Also, Hun Sen often uses name name callings, degrading our nations and degrading our people "dogs, stupid, idiots, crazy, traitors, betrayers,", but does anyone remember that Hun Sen often uses the word "Mit Youn" when talking in public, often labeling the Vietnamese as our friends and as our heroes for saving us -yet fails the address the current problems, Vietnamization or the facts surrounding the 10 years occupation after the so called 7th January Liberation Day.
In my opinions, these CPP supporters deserves the same values as the leader they support, they are nothing but cowards, traitors and dogs. All we can do is just talk and try to be civilized with the CPP.
I rest my case.
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