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Sunday 31 March 2013

The Preah Vihear case at the ICJ: Thailand has 1355 pages of documents while Cambodia has only 300 pages [Is the Cambodia Team lazy or are they incompetent?] រឿងក្តីព្រះវិហារ : ថៃចាប់ផ្តើមទៅដល់ក្រុងឡាអេបណ្តើរៗហើយ

(ថ្ងៃទី 31 មីនា 2013) | ដោយ: គ្រីទិច CEN

ភ្នំពេញ: ​ពី​ទី​ក្រុងឡាអេ​ដែល​តុលាការ​យុត្តិធម៌​អន្តរជាតិ នឹង​បើកសវនាការ​រឿង​ពាក់ព័ន្ធ​នឹង​ទឹកដី​ជុំវិញ​ប្រាសាទព្រះវិហារ លោក កា​វី​ចុង​គី​ថាវ​ង្ស (Kavi Chongkittavorn) ដែលជា​អ្នកកាសែត​របស់​សារព័ត៌មាន​ដឺ​ណេ​សិន​របស់​ថៃ បាន​សរសេរ​រៀបរាប់​អំពី​ការត្រៀម​របស់​ថៃ សម្រាប់​ព្រឹត្តិការណ៍​នា​ពាក់កណ្តាល​ខែមេសា ដែល​កំពុង​តាមដាន​យ៉ាង​យកចិត្តទុកដាក់ ដោយ​មនុស្ស​គ្រប់រូប​នៅ​កម្ពុជា និង​ថៃ​។​

​តុលាការ​យុត្តិធម៌​អន្តរជាតិ នឹងធ្វើ​សាវ​នា​ការ​ចុងក្រោយ​នៅ​ថ្ងៃទី​១៥ ខែមេសា ដើម្បី​បកស្រាយ​សាលក្រម​ឆ្នាំ​១៩៦២ តាម​សំណើ​របស់​កម្ពុជា ដើម្បីអោយ​ច្បាស់លាស់​ព្រំដែន​នៅ​ជុំវិញ​ប្រាសាទព្រះវិហារ ខណៈដែល​សាលក្រម​នោះ ប្រកាសថា ព្រះវិហារ​ជា​របស់​កម្ពុជា ប៉ុន្តែ​ភាគី​ថៃ នៅតែ​បន្ត​ទាមទារ​ទឹកដី​នៅ​ជុំវិញ​នោះ ដោយ​ធ្វើអោយមាន​ជម្លោះព្រំដែន​រវាង​ប្រទេសជិតខាង​ទាំងពីរ​។​

​ នៅក្នុង​អត្ថបទ​របស់ខ្លួន លោក​កា​វី បានអោយដឹងថា ជនជាតិ​ថៃ​ជាង​១០០​នាក់ មាន​ចំណាប់អារម្មណ៍​ចូលរួម​ដោយផ្ទាល់​សា​វនា​ការ​នៅ​ទី​ក្រុងឡាអេ​។ ស្ថាន​ន​ទូត​ថៃ​នៅ​ទីនោះ កំពុង​រវល់​រៀបចំ​សម្រាប់​ទស្សនកិច្ច​របស់​ជនជាតិ​ថៃ ចំនួន​យ៉ាងហោចណាស់ ៥០ នាក់​ដែលជា​ព្រឹទ្ធសភា អ្នកនយោបាយ អ្នកប្រាជ្ញ និង​អ្នកកាសែត​។​

​ លោក​កា​វី អះអាងថា ថៃ​ឯកសារ មាន​ចំនួន ១៣៥៥ ទំព័រ ខណៈដែល​កម្ពុ​ជាមាន​ជាង ៣០០ ទំព័រ​។ នៅក្នុង​ប្រទេស​ថៃ មនុស្សម្នា​កំពុង​តាមដាន​ថា​តើ​ការសម្រេច​របស់​តុលាការ​យុត្តិធម៌​អន្តរជាតិ នឹង​ប៉ះពាល់​យ៉ាងណា​ដល់​រដ្ឋាភិបាល​រប​ស់លោក​ស្រី​យ៊ី​ង ឡាក់ និង​ស្ថានភាព​ព្រំដែន​កម្ពុជា និង​ថៃ​។​


​ភាគី​កម្ពុជា ត្រូវគេ​រំពឹងថា នឹង​អោយ​អង្គុយ​នៅ​ខាងស្តាំ ហើយ​ភាគី​ថៃ អង្គុយ​នៅ​ខាងឆ្វេង ក្នុង​បន្ទប់​តុលាការ​៕​
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11 comments:

Anonymous said...

More pages are not better than the trust.

Anonymous said...

Siam has more pages because they had a very weak case and so these thieves gathered as much lam fake evidences to try to fool ICJ court. These judges are highly educated and so their staffs. Siam will not get by this one. You can have tons of tons of steel but the values will not worth more than couple ounces of gold. Cambodia had 24K real gold while Siam had gold plate of metal. Real gold never afraid of fire. Siam knew this that is why they had try so hard for us to agree to joint developments around Preah Vihear areas.

Anonymous said...

Firstly, they tried with their lady boys muscle. Secondly, when this didn't work they try delayed tactics. Thirdly, they fake fighting between Red & Yellow to have us confused. Fourth, they gone back to kiss Hun Sen ass hoping he will take the brides. Fifth, now try with their fake evidences at ICJ just to satify their thieving general public that they tried.

Anonymous said...

None of them. Hun Sen does not fit as a leader and a bad role model as father. He disowns his children ( Hun To and a daughter with Hem Sivonne. He steals and robs national money ,national properties for his families and clans for power. He is the worse leader in the world.

Anonymous said...

You're right CPP boy ! Khmer won't need 300 pages , we need only one
Hor 5 Hong to order the ICJ to do what we want to ...

Anonymous said...

I think Khmer leaders just don't care about Khmer territory like Thai leaders. Hun Sen and Hor Namhong are either lazy, don't care or they know nothing (ignorant) about the whole ICJ process or about Cambodian border. The ratio of Thialand's and Cambodia's legal documents is 5:1, so how can we convince the judges with 300 pages of documents while Thailand presented more than 1350 pages? All Cambodians should begin to worry now.

The ICJ will look at the documents and evidences. If Thailand has more evidences and documents the judges are going to believe them- Thailand has more chance of convincing the judges in this sense. Shame to Hun Sen and Hor Namhong.

Anonymous said...

Why don't you just go kiss Siam ass instead. You all had no clue about court procedures at all you ignorant fools. Many times if you llying the cop will know it. The more you talk the more the cop suspected you. Cambodia already had an international border treaties FRANCO- SIAM 1904, 1909, 1921 TREATIES in which Siam's king and Priminister accept idiots. When Siam prince went to visit French and Khmers met them. French and Khmer flag were flying in these areas. 1962 ICJ verdict ruled that Preah Vihear Temple is in Cambodia's territories. ICJ 1962 at that tme was using 1904 FRANCO-SIAM Border treaties to determined who's territories, which showed clearly that so called 4.6 sq. km was well within Khmer's border. So those of you who hated Hun Sen blindly at the expense of our national interests GO JOIN SIAM and may be Siam let you stay with their dogs. That's what Siam considered Khmers as lower than their dogs. Hey ignorants those ICJ judges DO NOT GO BY FAKE EVIDENCES THEY ARE SMART AND SO ARE THEIR COURT STAFFS. Justices will prevail
VICTORY CAMBODIA AGAIN 

Anonymous said...

11:29 am, Wait a minute. Your mentality is a communist and Khmer Rouge mentality - all critics are enemies. You have to think of criticism as constructive to help you head to the right direction. We are criticizing Hun Sen because we want him to head to the right direction here, we don't do it to help Thailand - you must be clear about this.

Even though the 1908 map put Preah Vihear temple in within Khmer territory, Thailand still invade it in 1954. And this was the cause of the problem because Thailand interpreted the treaty differently from Cambodia because the 1907 treat uses the "watershed" as the borderline, but the French drew the map by putting the temple inside Cambodian territory. Thailand argued that if the court follow the 1907 treaty, Preah Vihear temple would have been
inside Thailand territory because the watershed put Preah Vihear temple inside Thai territory. Thanks God that the judges at the ICJ used the map to judge the case, that's why we won in 1962.

The 1962 judgement only said that the temple situates under the sovereignty of Cambodia and that the "temple's vicinity" also falls under Cambodian sovereignty, but the judgement did not make it clear what it meant by the "vicinity" - how far is the vicinity from the temple. This gives Thailand a pretext to claim the 4.6km2 because the court did not draw the borderline about the "vicinity".

Coming back the present ICJ case. If Hun Sen and Hor Namhong was so incompetent and so lazy to prepare the documents and legal submission to the ICJ, then Cambodia might not have enough evidence or documents to prove to the ICJ that the 4.6km2 belong to Cambodia. The Thai presented 1355 pages of documents so they have more evidences and documents to prove to the judges that the 4.6km2 belong to them.

Sir, please don't shoot at the messenger because we are just trying to wake Hun Sen up, we are not trying to help the Thai like you said. Only communists and Pol Pot apologists have that kind of mentality that if you criticize, you must be the enemy. We are the concerned citizens that's why we criticized for Hun Sen to wake up. People like you will follow Hun Sen all the way to the grave, even going to hell.

You must also get the history right. There were no 1904, 1909 or 1921 treaties, only 1907 treaty.

Cambodia and Siam (Thailand) began the border negotiation in 1904 that concluded treaty in 1907. The French drew the map in 1908 and planted the border posts, using wooden stakes. In 1921, both countries began to replace the 1908 wooden border posts by concrete border posts which lasted until today, but the border posts were not big or heavy enough so the Thais always moved them deeper into Khmer territory and your boss Hun Sen has just threatened to sue Radio Free Asia for reporting about Thai encroachments.

I know you will defend Hun Sen to the death , even when he is wrong, because you have benefited from his corrupt rule. I forgive you because you think your personal benefits are greater than national interests. Amen/Sadhu!

Anonymous said...

1 April 2013 1:41 pm. Well Done! Proud of you my Khmer brother/Sister.

Everyone hates Hun Sen and CPP, but we will never side with our enemies, the Siam thieves, or our eternal enemies, the Barbaric Youns.

Anonymous said...

4:07 PM

Of course we hate Hun Sen and the CPP, but we never side with our enemies,the Thai and Viet. Because we love our country and don't want to have the power.
But for some people, they will do everything for their personal interest and for the power. These people will side with every bad enemies.

Anonymous said...

I am 11:29 am, first I am not Communist or CPP supporter. I support Khmers who are trying to stop Siam from stealing our land further and block the only access to Preah Vihear temple. I hate Communist. I lost almost of my entire family to Khmer Rough and CPP are Khmer Rough who betray Cambodia to Youn. Please for those of you who hate Hun Sen please be responsible while Cambodia is fighting Siam at ICJ. Hun Sen is not the best person to handle this but he is the current head of Royal Government of Cambodia. We Khmers FOR NOW MUST stand by Cambodian team who leading this fight against A KA PEK
( AKA SIAM ). They need all the supports we can give them. Remember most of Siam 1355 pages are not even related to Preah Vihear. They are trying to bind unrelated documents to fool ICJ. They had a lot of money to hire a lot lawyers and experts to do their best to fool ICJ
court. I truly at the end of the day ICJ still believe in justices and award victory to us. For those of you who are supporting the opposition party please support Cambodian team heading to ICJ. We don't have to vote for the CPP. Thanks above for correct my mistakes of 1904,1909, 1921 FRANCO-SIAM TREATIES. We Khmers MUST be united. Our three thieving neighbors had populations, economic superior on us, so we Khmer had no choice but united in one voice.