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Wednesday 10 October 2012

Hun Sen and Pol Pot were "useful idiots" of Joseph Stalin

Re: Subedi objects to Cambodian PM's remarks [UN envoy calls Hun Sen's personal attack on him "unbecoming of a person of the prime minister´s stature"]

By Kmenhwatt

The father of communism of Russia named Joseph Stalin and his philosophy was to kill all intellectuals and well educated individuals because these people were not easy to control. They have the intellectual ability to use their own mind to solve conflict that communism are not be able to use or control them. The only way to control them is to kill them all.

Also Stalin said keep the dumbest and the useful idiots, the idiots that can be used as a tool to kill anyone that communism wanted to. Pol Pot did just that, Hun Sen did just that. These were useful idiots of Joseph Stalin. They were the students of Ho Chi Minh and Ho Chi Minh was a student of Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse-tung of China.

Too bad, we have a leader that can not distinguish between what is right or what is wrong in term of criticism of his rule. He lashed out at anyone, including the UN envoy who is working on behalf of the UN to monitor human rights abuses in Cambodia.  If Mr Surya Subedi didn't work for the UN, I am sure he won't stick his nose into Cambodia's matters but he has his authority and job to do so for he is a UN envoy to Cambodia, that's why he recommended on what he had found that Cambodia needs most in term of its citizens' rights.
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Pol Pot wasn't Joseph Stalin's "useful idiot", the Vietnamese were

Anonymous said...

Dear KmengWatt,

Pol Pot may have been the leader, but he wasn't in charge of all the killings. It was the Vietnamese. You kept blaming Pol Pot for the killings of Cambodian intellectuals. That is what the Vietnamese and the American wanted the world to believe.

But if we look at history, Pol Pot came into power from 1975-1978. They came into power after having been trained by the Vietnamese in Vietnam. Also the Vietnamese was the one who created the communist regime by killing the Lon Nol government and planting Pol Pot in power.


It's not as simple as Stalin. Pol Pot couldn't have done anything alone. The Vietnamese had many roles and responsibilities. Pol Pot may have started the killings from 1976-1978, but not beyond that.

The war with Vietnam erupted in 1976 because Pol Pot refused the Vietnamese order to send Khmers to die in the K5 Plan.

All I ask of you is to research this topic and debate with me if you still insist that Pol Pot played a large role in the genocide.

As far as I have seen, Pol Pot may have killed some Khmers but for majority of Khmers who have perished under the Khmer Rouge regime, it was the Vietnamese who were behind most of the killings and massacres. Remember that 2 million Khmers may have died but for 8 years prior to the Khmer Rouge take over, half of the country was bombed by the Americans. With over 2 million bombs dropped, the Americans killed over half a million. What about the Vietnamese who had planted Pol Pot in power. How many did the Vietnamese really kill from 1976-1979?

There are too many unanswered questions. The Americans are in it as much as the Vietnamese. But the Americans gained nothing and the Vietnamese gained everything. Let's not forget the K5 Plan, that's another genocide which the Vietnamese intended to finish the job for Pol Pot.

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Anonymous said...

Well,I should say:Sinhanuk,pol pot and Hun sen were " useful idiot of Ho Chi Minh" since Ho Chi Minh was a student of Joseph Stalin.Because of Stalin ideology that indocinated into Ho Chi Minh mind,and Ho Chi Minh has indocinated ideology into Sinhanuk,pol pot and Hun sen's mind to be his killing tool today.China Maoism killed 60 millions Chinese innocent,Joseph Stalin killed 35-40 millions innocent Russians,Adoft Hitler killed 6 millions Jews and pol pot killed estimate about 2.7 millions innocents khmers.These were very close number that the world known to be 98% accurate.these all due to the acted of Stalin ideology/ philosophy about Useful idiot,politician's tool killing machine in 20-21st century.

Kmenhwatt.

Anonymous said...

The poster to Kmenhwatt should at least provide links to his statement rather than just make an opinion. We all hear that the Vietnamese was behind every aspect from past to present. And not one of them provided any proof or links. We all must remember that rulers or leaders like to point out their failure due to external forces. Its a common thing now when something goes wrong in Cambodia we blame Viet or Thai.

Anonymous said...

Which is the link that you like to know from this dude Kmenhwatt? About Yuon killed Khmers or Siamese killed khmers? Yuons never admit that they killed khmers,so does Siamese they also didn't admit that they killed khmers either.Facts: Yuon kills khmers direct and indirects ever since Cheyjatha II to now among these killing was K5 one of them in the 90's.Siamese killed khmers since 1979 -now by thousand were killed in Dangrek mountain in 1980 escaped from Khmer rouge.

About Russian,Chinese,German killing that is easy to proof,because those were recorded in the history of the world.Yuon&Siam killed khmers were not easy to prove it because they were hiding behind all the " useful idiot" that do the killing for them.Correct me if I'm wrong.

Anonymous said...

9 October 2012 12:19 PM

no facts just opinion from you. Like I said proof or links. I am not doubting what you are saying but want to make sure we validate information expressed here. Don`t you think it would be better to make sure all readers get as many information they can before making a statement? Don`t you think its time to abolish the prejudice blaming? We all know what our neighbors have done to us but to blame everything on them is ludicrous!

Its like you blaming everyone for your failure.

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Anonymous said...

KmengWatt

Again, you stated that "Pol Pot killed estimate about 2.7 millions innocents khmers."

I dont want to turn this into a battle, but i want to understand where you are getting this information from. As much as i hate Pol Pot and hwo the Vietnamese trained Pol Pot to kill Khmer and how the Vietnamese influenced the Pol Pot into killing the Khmer, you still seem to support the Vietnamese and blame Pol Pot.

How about you show me your information??

Here are my information,

1962.

Saloth went into hiding after his name was published in a list of leftist suspects put together by the police for Norodom Sihanouk. He fled to the Vietnamese border region and made contact with Vietnamese units fighting against South Vietnam.

1965

Sar went to North Vietnam to gain approval for an uprising in Cambodia against the government. North Vietnam refused to support any uprising due to ongoing negotiation with the Cambodian government. Sihanouk promised to allow the Vietnamese to use Cambodian territory and Cambodian ports in their war against South Vietnam.

1969

Sar called a party conference and decided on a change in the propaganda strategy. Prior to 1969, opposition to Sihanouk was the main focus of their propaganda

1970

in Cambodia. Sihanouk, while out of the country, ordered the government to stage anti-Vietnamese protests in the capital.

1970

The National Assembly voted to remove Sihanouk from office. Afterward, the government closed Cambodia's ports to Vietnamese weapons traffic and demanded that the Vietnamese leave Cambodia.

1970

The North Vietnamese reacted to the political changes in Cambodia by sending Premier Phạm Văn Đồng to meet Sihanouk in China and recruit him into an alliance with the Khmer Rouge.

1970,

the Vietnamese had taken matters into their own hands and launched an offensive against the Cambodian army. A force of 50 Vietnamese quickly overran large parts of eastern Cambodia reaching to within 15 miles

1971,

the Vietnamese (North Vietnamese and Viet Cong) did most of the fighting against the Cambodian government while Sar and the Khmer Rouge functioned almost as auxiliaries to their forces.

1972,

the Vietnamese army forces began to withdraw from the fighting against the Cambodian government. Sar issued a new set of decrees in May 1973 which started the process of reorganizing peasant villages into cooperatives where property was jointly owned and individual possessions banned.

1976

A new constitution was adopted on January 5, 1976, officially altering the country's name to "Democratic Kampuchea." Prince Sihanouk was given no role in the government and was placed under detention.

Part 1

Anonymous said...


Here is my information about the American bombings.

1973,

legislated an end to U.S. military action in, over, or off the shores of Indochina, the only U.S. military activity then going on was air support of a friendly Cambodian government and army desperately defending their country against a North Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge onslaught

What destabilized Cambodia was North Vietnam's occupation of chunks of Cambodian territory from 1965 onwards for use as military bases from which to launch attacks on U.S. and South Vietnamese forces in South Vietnam.

Next came a North Vietnamese attempt to overrun the entire country in March–April 1970, to which U.S. and South Vietnamese forces responded by a limited ground incursion at the end of April...The outcome in Indochina was not foreordained. Congress had the last word, however, between 1973 and 1975

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Menu

To put 2,756,941 tons into perspective, the Allies dropped just over 2 million tons of bombs during all of World War II. Cambodia may be the most heavily bombed country in history.

http://www.yale.edu/cgp/Walrus_CambodiaBombing_OCT06.pdf


Vietnam promised repeatedly to leave Cambodia by 1990, and by the end of 1987, Hanoi had staged six partial troop withdrawals. Officials in Hanoi indicated, however, that phased withdrawals would end and that Vietnamese forces would return to Cambodia if there were a threat to Vietnam's national security.

http://www.mongabay.com/reference/country_studies/cambodia/GOVERNMENT.html

KmengWatt

Please take your time to read my information. Dont reply with your "Pol Pot killed estimate about 2.7 millions innocents khmers." without showing me your information.

Fair?? I am willing to share my infromation, but lets share ideas and suggestion. We should be adults and as adults one can see that the Vietnamese had many roles in the genocide of the 2 million death of Khmer.

So show me where you believe "Pol Pot killed estimate about 2.7 millions innocents khmers."

Only Youn makes that kind of assumption.

Part 2.

MK

Anonymous said...

Wow! Unbelieveable information from the knowledgeable mister MK.I have a great respect for you and your time line event that did happened as you stated in your comments.But as for my comments I did do my research about the conflicted between Khmers and Yuon from the 50's to 90's thatwise,I said that Sinhanuk,pol pot and Hun sen were using tools of Ho Chi Min that spending the ideology of Stalin the father of communist of Russian that said;keep only " useful idiot" destroys all intellectuals that can not be used.

To be fair,Sinhanuk/Lon Nol incharged during bombardment of Yuon&America's war,they got the blamed for that killed about 600,000 khmers.

Pol pot got the blamed during75's-79's killingfield,starvations,over works,diseases,famine etc.

Hun sen got the blamed during occupation of Yuon from 1979 to nowadays and k5 killing for his boss Yuon Hanoi.

As for killingfield and whose were behind all the killing in my opinion is Khmer rouge cadre some evident point out to Yuon influence but there wasn't much proof for that claims.

My fellow Mk that is the beauty of the debated here today,we are agree to disagree,that is the democracy way,for those whose are reading this ,use your own judgement.The question is:Who we should blamed for these killing khmers innocent? My answer is KHMER LEADERS.

Kmenhwatt.

Anonymous said...

Patriot Kmentwatt,

Eventually, I don't want to provoke of anything with all of your posted comments on this forum with other khmer patriots. But the most important thing is, we all should better had known and being recognized to someone who S/he can be stating most of the fact that we must all have to admit with them in which of that part is most valuable and pretty precious and benefits for all as Khmer patriots, for example, the posted comment on 9 October 2012, 4:20 P.M. S/he was presenting more truth things of most events as far as I have read it.
Here is only my opinion of why the root and the cause of Khmer's problem as ever as anyone of us should already have known it from the past because of King Chey Chethat II. First he’s begun it. And so that it had driven from one generation to other ever since to be broken as of an internal crisis among Khmer society, especially, among the leadership's family they were fallen apart that because of the power greedy and the collectively of the wealth, jealousy, etc.
So, this matter the leadership's Khmer was always need some supporter in order to regain the power greedy when whomever get known that they were lost a family’s battle field; then they have to ask whether to a youn or Siam for help to fighting with their bloody/foe.
So then within this kind of help the enemy is always seen that they can get achieved of something from Khmer to fulfill of their goal while helping to any party of Khmer, otherwise.
That is the reason why our Khmer neighbors knew for sure that it is weak point of Khmer.
Over period of a century, Khmer has a huge of land with all kind of natural resources counting on it, but now it seems we are drastically going down the hell that because of all those reason above.
Typically, Both A youn and Siam were kept doing and continuing for over 60 years ago to destroy Khmer from the world map. Should we’ let them do it or not since their part of their dreaming almost succeed it.
To me as Khmer, we should get up and help to pull the string all together with [The MNRP] for that, only if, we love to salvage Khmer from Youn in year of 2013. That is the better way of hope of Khmer citizens and the last chance that we are going to have it. Other than that, I do not see any possibility or option available for us to choose it as a Khmer is owner by Khmer.
Matek Khmer/Mk

to be continued...

Anonymous said...


Continuing from 3:27 AM
As you see the bottom page here is the excerption by Ted Galen Carpenter
Ted Galen Carpenter is a foreign policy analyst with the CatoInstitute.
The Cambodian resistance to Heng Samrin's puppet regime and the Vietnamese army of occupation is divided into three sharply divergent factions. They are officially united in a coalition government recognized by the United States and many other countries, but the mutual animosity is deep and abiding. The most promising group, in terms of ideological orientation, is the Khmer Peoples National Liberation Front (KPNLF). Headed at least nominally by 75-year-old former prime minister Son Sann, the KPNLF professes an enthusiasm for both democracy and free enterprise. Son Sann was the principal founder of the Cambodian Democratic party and has worked for several decades to fashion a multi-party parliamentary democracy. One of the chief KPNLF military commanders, Dien Del, also seems committed to a pluralistic political system and has stated that he wants "an economy like Singapore's' for Cambodia. A healthy degree of entrepreneurial capitalism is apparent among KPNLF followers in various refugee camps maintained by the organization.[28]
A more amorphous group is the Armee Nationaliste Sihanou- kiste (ANS), consisting of guerrillas loyal to former head of state Prince Norodom Sihanouk. During the 30 years he ruled Cambodia prior to his ouster in 1970, Sihanouk was noted principally for an opulent lifestyle and authoritarian methods. Throughout his long political career, he has at various times cultivated the Vietnamese, the Communist Chinese, the United States, and the Khmer Rouge, as well as noncommunist Cambodian elements. If his faction should ever regain power, there is little evidence to suggest that this record of rank opportunism would not be repeated.
The third component of the rebel triad is the Khmer Rouge. Although Pol Pot resigned his leadership post in early 1986, he is still rumored to be the guiding force behind this faction. The two other principal leaders, Ieng Sary and Khieu Samphan, were both top-level officials in the Khmer Rouge government that ruled Cambodia from 1975 to 1978 and committed unspeakable atrocities.
A troubling issue that proponents of military aid to the Cambodian insurgents must address is whether an attempt to oust the puppet regime of Heng Samrin might inadvertently return the Khmer Rouge to power. This is no idle fear. The ANS fields scarcely 5,000 guerrillas, and the KPNLF has 12,000-15,000. Neither faction is particularly well trained or equipped. The Khmer Rouge, on the other hand, has more than 30,000 experienced troops, and, thanks to Chinese largesse, they are supplied with an array of modern weapons. This severe disparity in strength does not bode well for any post-revolutionary struggle for power. It is true that the KPNLF has a sizable civilian following, perhaps as many as 250,000, among refugees in camps across the Thai border, but there is no certainty that this factor could be translated into sufficient military power even with external aid.[29] While the ongoing Vietnamese presence in Cambodia is clearly a violation of international law and partakes more than a little of imperialist exploitation, the alternative might well be a new Khmer Rouge government and another round of genocide. It is a distressing dilemma that cannot be ignored.