- Here are the military comparisons between Cambodia and Siam that I observed:
1. They had some good J-39 Gripens, F-16 A, ok F-5 , ok Alpha Jets, average Albotross jets, a lot of utilities helicopters, some Cobra attack helicopters. [Read: Cambodia Army vs. Thai Army].
2. The had 100% advantage on us in the sea, we had nothing comparable excepts some fast attack boats.
3. They had ground forces which outnumber us, but most Khmer soldiers are way more experienced and battle hardened than them, so one Khmer soldiers can fight 3 Thai soldiers.
4. They had less capable MBT tanks, but more tanks in general. They had similar number of APCs.
5. They had better French made artillery systems. We had older but capable artilleries, the formidable BM-21.
6. We had similar small arms weapons.
7. We perfected small pit battles and they only experienced those battles in training.
8. We had better guerrilla tactics and they can't even counter small Muslims in their southern borders.
We will bleeds them more than Viets and kick them back to Yunan, China. I hope no war and ICJ grand us justices.
Monday, 14 May 2012
Cambodian army no match for Thai army
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In case the war start one day, we Khmer have more trust to the Khmer Krom and we have the full rigth to include our Khmer Krom (serve in the Vietnam Army) into the Royal Cambodian Army Forces to fight again the Thai.
What about the Khmer Surin, will they also fight for the country of their ancestors "Cambodia" like our Khmer Krom.
We Khmer have not much trust to our brother/sisters Khmer Surin, that they are ready to fight again the Thai agressor.
It's not has to do with what weapons we have or they have. It has to do with how well and how willingly we fight. Just look at Vietnam War per se.
From what I had learned is that our Khmer Arm Forces can't hold the Siam thieves from taking main metropolitant cities like Phnom Penh. They will attack us with may be four main thrusts, Preah Vihear area, Battambang areas, Seim Reap areas, Koh Kong areas with their marines.
Here are ways we must fight them:
1. We must prepare for a long Guirella war, by splitting our forces all over Cambodia countryside. Attack their communication lines, their economy.
2.We also must nfiltrated Thailand itself to help the Muslim southernThai borders.
3. We must make sure any puppet government they set up must be destroy.
4. We must armed ourselves with a lot of most modern MANPADS. these anti-air are very cheap and effective against their attack helicopters, utilities helicopters, Alpha Jets, L-39, F-5 even low flying F-16A. The few
J-39 Gripens can be difficult to bring down. Also armed ourselves with a lot of anti-tank missiles. Latest RPG rocket is very effective against their tanks.
5. We must make their life miserable in Cambodia. Gentlemen the Thai thieves are not even close to toughness as the Viets.
6. Pray NO WAR and UN demand Thai obey International laws.
3.
It is true Cambodia has the determination to fight, but with Thailand outnumbering us in everything, from troop numbers to weaponry, especially air power, I don't see how our strong determination can hold on to the onslaught of Thai air power if full scale war beaks out.
Thai troops outnumbered Cambodian troops 3 to1 and the weapons, the tanks (over 1000), the artillery, the air force (about 300 fighter jets, mainly F-16s), helicopters (about over 1000), strong navy (Thailand got many warships and one aircraft carrier, better than Russia, Canada, Italy and other big economic powers which didn't have one) and the sophisticated communication and intelligence systems, well trained and provided by America, would just make it so easy for Thailand to crush Cambodia in less than a week.
In term of Cambodia's military capability, I would say that we are no match with Thailand's well trained and well-equipped army.
We have about 140,000 poorly-trained and poorly-equipped army. And mainly most of the well-trained and well-equipped soldiers are Hun Sen's bodyguards who are stationed around Hun Sen's compounds and main cities to protect Hun Sen's power, not stationing along the border to defend Cambodia's territorial integrity.
We have no warplane, a few small navy vessels bought from China, less than 200 BM-21 rocket launchers, reportedly bought from Vietnam, a few old helicopters, may be about 200-300 tanks.
Based on the above comparisons, I think Thai troops would just drive in, no need to fight on the ground because their superior air powers would just destroy Cambodian troops from the air along the way as they move in, like what American troops did in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Despite saying this, I would still say that our troops would fight to protect our territory with bravery and with their life.
Only Hun Sen would lead our innocent poor front line soldiers into war and ultimately their death. While the fancy rich elite soldier members continue to stock and rape our karaoke singers. Hun Sen will beg China and Vietnamese to intervene. Thailand going to war with Hun Sen is a blessing. They will De-throne Hun Sen`s power and he will ultimately receive the same fate as his best buddy Thaskin.
Don't underestimate our enemy. They can probably capture all of our city with their military power. To be honest with your folks on here. I don't think Cambodian can win a war against the Thais. They have more military spending than us with more supply unit and we over here is poor with less supply unit that would probably last about a months or so. So we can't risk going to war with them
I don't believe Thailand can take over Cambodia that easy. Just look at the way they fought around the boarder. They had used all kind of Special Forces and they did not accomplish anything. Their troops lack of experiences and their commend lack of leadership skills (art of the general). Their artilleries were not affective. They had fired more twenty thousand rounds, include the use cluster bombs, they did hid a singe Cambodian troop. Those Cambodian troops who killed and wounded were fought in a close battle. I would count out their artilleries’ effectiveness. We have not seen their Armored Division (tanks) in close battle, but I doubt that they have capability to make headway into Cambodia without great loses. I know Cambodian troops love to blow up tanks. They have so much experience with this tactical maneuver. Those tanks will be stop on the spot.
Their air force is a lot smaller compare to the U.S during bombardment in Cambodia in the 60’s and the 70’s. If the US could not break the Khmer Rouge forces, I very much doubt that Thailand can break Phnom Penh forces which are a lot stronger.
Again, their Navel Forces are too small compare to the U.S during the 60’s and 70’s. They are good for use in defend but not in offend.
Just before this conflict, many Western analogists believe that Thailand will beat Cambodia in a very battle. I was laughing at them. I think they are just a bunch of idiots. I wonder if the Vietnam War did not still spit at them on their face, at least should be designated in their mind.
Before the Thai sends in the ground infantry the entire Cambodia military bases,more likely, will be decimated by the bombardment of Thai Air Force and Navy -- the aircraft carrier and handful of submarines are station nearby at the gulf of Thailand miles away from Khmer coastline. After its military arsenals, logistic, and provision completely destroy within days, Hun Sen's arm force will eventually give up in submission of defeat before even the ground war initiated. [If]in the scenario of a blow-out war with Thailand, Vietnam will drag in with military help backing its crony regime, while China will persue political maneuvers pressuring Thai to cease fire. If Cambodia is to become a Geo-political battle field between the Viet and the Thai, Khmer kingdom will face division and that will promise the end of Cambodia.
The guerrilla warfares of "The Art of War" used by Vietcong general Diep to outwitted in Vietnam War against the American in the 60's will not work well with the under-equip and unwell-trained Hen Sen armies unless with China full pledge of involvements.Lastly, the recent gonging regarding the land area surround the temple from Bangkok is a repetition the instability of Thai's internal affairs that uses Khmer-Thai border conflicts as a pretext to distort its people from their political turmoil within factions. There will be small scale crashes as we've had seen in recent past, but not an all out war.
Thai going to war against Cambodia over a piece of relic and 4.5Km2 of land. You got to be kidding?
It's all political game to drump up support at home, nothing more nothing less.
Let's stop wasting times.
The old Navel forces and Air force that Thailand has to fight with, I doubt that they can make around O’clock bombardment. They need at least 300 missions per day for a month with at least 500 hundred fighter jets. Thailand air force and navy do not have this capacity.
Their Army (ground forces) did not do well in battle with Cambodia at Preah Vihear. How can someone say that they do have more experience then the Cambodian forces that have more then 30 years in battles’ experiences?
Dear Khmers,
There will be only military clashes, no all out invasion.
However, since Siem always want Ankor Wat and Preah
Vihear, we must fortify these two sacred temples on the grounds and in the air.
We would be able to protect on the grounds, in the air,
would be a challenge. We must install and deploy strong
and intergrated air defense systems.
Should Thailand decide to invade Cambodia, the solution would be easy.
Both countries are charter members of UN.
Cambodia simply makes a formal request for UN to
convene an EMERGENCY session.
A temporary cease fire will be imposed, and diplomacy
shall begin.
Cambodia can even then prosecute those Thai leaders
for war crimes in international tribunals.
On the other hand, the Viet problems are entirely different.
The Hun Sen's government will NOT even go near UN.
The Viets already have their man.
The Viet occupation of Cambodia is about to be completed soon. It has been a BENIGN OCCUPATION for more than 30 years already.
Therefore, we must fight Yuon the hardest.
We Khmers will win the war against Yuon, if and only if
KHMERS UNITE !!!
Long Live Kampucha !!!
A Khmer Patriot
You called it a piece of relic ?
Then you would call Ankor Wat just a pagoda ?
How dare you ?
4.5 km2 are Khmer land.
For the last century, Khmers always were and are the laughing stock of Yuon and Siem.
Let's wise up and wake up.
Fight to protect what is OURS
If we want peace, we must prepare for war.
If there is a war between Cambodia and Thailand. Thailand will win for sure because Thailand has many people and air force.
The problem is that Thailand will end up in internal political tumor.
I really cannot wait to see ASEAN union in 2015.
Now, what we face is the economy. We need to reform our regulation and politics. The flow of foreign investment is the key of development. Why do we have to think about the war with the two neighbors?
Now, what we need to think about is to build manufacture, industries, and esp. food products.
We cannot depend on just only tourism and agriculture.
Please all Khmer people wake up, don't waste your time thinking much about politics. We should think about technologies, industrial, electrical engineering,..etc, so that big industrial investors can trust our human resources. Like Vietnamese, Vietnamese change a lot. Vietnamese now is reformed a lot. You know why most countries are willing to invest in Vietnam than Cambodia? Because Vietnamese human resources are focusing on technology, industries, and electronic..etc., while Cambodian human resources focusing on law, management, finance, business?
If all Cambodians are all managers, lawyers, politics, who are the workers and manufacture experts?
The US military invaded Cambodia, late the US military have lost their war in Vietnam. Thai sure able to invade Cambodia, but Thai will lost not only the war but also their so called the today Thai territorial and their Thai people (Khmer-Mon).
A War with Cambodia will not the same as the from time to time offensive action again the terrorists in the Southern Part of Thailand.
No much time for the new colonialist to enlarge the territorial. Will Thai sacrifice for this war and want to be call the “New Thai Empire”.
We Khmer are ready and waiting for. We will sacrifice for our country and protect our Khmer Heritages.
The world community also knew so well, that the Temple of Preah Vihear, Angkor Wat always belong to Cambodia since many generations. They will not close their eyes and support your aggressive adventure.
Those who said Cambodian Army no match with Siam are either Thai bitches themselves or idiot Cambodian just give up without even put up a fight ( cowards). Why don't you idiots hand the whole Cambodia to the Siam.
As for true Khmer Angkor blood and patriots Khmers we will put up a fight taking these Thai lady boys to hell with us before they claim any more of our land.
Those who think Cambodian soldiers will just let these Thai bitches come in our house at will, you should change your name and citizenship to Thai not Khmers.
We fought the Viets until they left, and these Siam are not even close to toughness as the Viets. What make you think if war broke out that only fighting in Cambodia. We will hit and run inside Thailand itself. We will make them choke while they try to swallow us like a big bones in their throat. They will not swallow us easily. Khmers will still exist thousands years from now.
We agree with you to a point.
But you have to solve the MOST important
problem First, before trying to industrialise
Cambodia.
The problem is that Cambodia will be annexed
to and by Vietnam pretty soon, if we don't stop
them.
Then all your industries, technology and engineering will go to Yuon, along with YOUR
country.
So let's liberate ourselves and our country FIRST.
Time may run out.
No one in the world will support Thailand aggressor especially Britain.
Thai is a land changing its name from Siam to Thai by a war crime dictator loser Phibun Songkrak who escaped to Japan and died under the Japan's Kimono. He left behind him millions ignorant Thai people always think Hitler as a Thai Hero. Italians killed Benitao Mussolini for his war crime but Thai made a dictator loser Phibun Songkram as their Hero. Thai people today are the children of a war crime dictator loser Phibun losing WWII
I don't think many people inside Cambodia knows about the impending battle between Cambodia and Thailand. Spread the words so the people are prepared. We need broadcast from VOA and RFA to let our people know about the danger. If we lose the court battle because of their manipulation, we need to be ready to go on protests. Protest in all major cities.
FYI...angry child,
Everyday the Vietnamese is flooding our country. Did u forget how the Vietnamese troops march into our country? Over a hundred thousand forces. Before you rebuttal give us some kind of information to back your claim not just an opinion.
Everybody's in the dark. Seriously most of the RCAF funds are going to either the Bodyguard Unit, or the ever fat pockets of fukin corrupt generals. After 5 years of border conflict with Thai, the CPP still hasn'T learnt its lesson, and making things more worse SPENDING $3- 5 million on shithead FUkin red shit SHIRtS of thailand. I don't give a dogs Shit if they r surin. The security of Cambodia is compromised, our security forces be they army, marines, navy, bodyguard unit, military police, police will do their duty. And all of our countrymen will suffer shamefully because the negligence of the cpp and still their are self centred bastard who continue to vote and protect him.
DCPP guy (formally CPP)
Don't worry Siamee is not brave enough to fight with khmers,they so coward can only shoot khmers whose has no gun,remember the clashed at Dorng Rech mountain a month ago?
How many siamee got hurt?...you know for the fact that khmers very brave,khmers will win w/o a doubt!...
Don't under estimate the power of khmers patriotism,soldiers w/o boots,i don't think (IcJ)
Will reward freakin'siamee khmers land or Preah
Vihea,we win court battle before,we will win again this time,have faith with khmers patriotism...
Y.k.pro
Nice to hear from you.
Let's fight together to save OUR Kampucha !
No country in this world have ever benefit from the war - San Zhu
Hey I am not a child idiot. Those who praised Siam forces are either idiots or cowards. No one in the world would praise their enemy before any conflict. Here are the reasons I know we will win:
1. Siam ground forces are cowards and lay back frontline troops. They learned from the U. S and look how well the U. S do in Iraq and Afghanistan. Ruined American economy.
The U.S much better trained and organized with the most sophisicate weapons in the world. As the Thai military are very corrupted and second rate weapons from the US.
Reasearch idiots most the Siam military budgets are not going to the right places: A lot of Thai soldiers are cowards. My cousin at front line at Ta Krabey called and tell me Thai shelled us with everything and still he can still hear them push each others to move forward first. We killed many of their so call special forces.
2. Their ground troops weapons are not that much advantage over us, they just had more. Remember they had to defend against all their neighbors who not on good terms with them. They fought Laos and lost, Burma, Malaysia, now us. They also got killed everyday at their southern border against few illed equips Muslims.
3. Our army weapons have improved since 2008, Hun Sen had been quietly equipped our forces. Half of Hun Sen's body guard units are at Siam border. We had more rockets, small arms munitions, artillery shells from Eastern European, China.
4. Don't under estimated our experienced, battle harden troops. You idiot must know that a human heart, determination is also weapons. My cousin said during fighting many Khmer Surine soldiers ran back to their villages. Thai peoples had no desired to killed or go to war with their neighbors. Only a few nationalist idiots who thurst for Khmer's land.
5. We will win at ICJ, the world don't see only money like many of you implied. The world still care about justices.
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For those who have been quick to call others “cowards” simply because they have raised the disparity between the two armies are themself worse than a coward! WHY?
1. Their so-called “braveness” or “patriotic” only exist behind a computer screen; if they’re as patriotic as they’ve painted themself to be, then they should be at the border defending the country and NOT at Khmerization attacking other bloggers.
2. If they think determination and experience alone will win the war, then why don’t they (blogger that attack others) just buy a machete and go defend the country from the Thai?
Determination and experience alone does NOT win a war; you need capable weapons, battle strategies, and more importantly adequate and continued supplies (ammunitions and food). If we have learn anything from the Vietnam war, it is the Vietcong’s supplies strategy that has enabled their frontline troops to sustained their attack on the U.S troops.
In the event of a full scale war, due to Thailand’s superiority, Cambodia may not be able to hold their advances, however, with preparation, good strategies combined with the experience and determination to defend the country Cambodia can win.
We are here on Khmeriztion because we are still fond of our home country; and if there is a war between Cambodia and her neighbour, I have no doubt that ALL of us will support Cambodia one way or another. So, don’t be a coward and jusk bark from behind a computer screen, lead by example (from the front) you idiot!
Hey idiot you are simply coward because you gave up the battle that haven't begin yet. First Khmer forces don't have plenty of weapons to kill your bitch ass Thai. Yes, we need strategy and more supply, what the fuck are Givernment to do, Cambodia is poor. We have to make use what we got now idiot enemies are at your doorstep. Oh ! wait Mr. Siam give me time to buy more weapons !
Lol. Hey idiot I am in America now do you think I can just leave and be at front lines? Lol. RCAF might not even want me. They had enough man powers but need money and emotional supports. Me and my family had sent over $ 300 to our forces at PV, Ta Moan, Ta Krabey. If I was in Cambodia I will be at front line killing your Thai lady boys.
Last time I checked our so call illed equipped army killed a whole bunch of those mighty Thai. Hey idiot did you check have those Thai taken any of our position since 3 years past. Hey idiot our boys need support not criticized by you cowards.
Funny how when some say the RCAF is weak, the so called more patriotic PC warrior I quick to say Thai Mary can't fight despite all the weapons. To go to war there are many factors involve. 1. Government will 2. The population 3. The army. Those small skirmishes that Thai had with the neighbors are not full fledge war. Preah Vihear is really nothing. Thailand had a balancing act with the rest of the world. Cannot be seen as a bully taking on a small country. Government and arm forces are at odds.
We can win but that's a long term struggle. Don't get your ego in the way. Can lead to a senseless death.
15 May 2012 1:29 PM
LOL, that is why Thailand have loss the war against Laos whose popolation and firepower is only a fraction of yours.
Do NOT forget that in the second world war, Thailand with its so_called "almightly" power, decided to surrender to the Japanese without a fight, and also became their coward allies. You should be greatful that the British, the French and the U.S. didn't hold Thailand to account with the Japanese.
So, DO NOT talk the talk when history has shown that you CANNOT walk the walk!
15 May 2012 12:05 PM
“Hey idiot I am in America now do you think I can just leave and be at front lines? Lol. RCAF might not even want me.”
Does this statement make you less of a coward? NO! The RCAF wants frontline soldiers, that is why they’re looking at legislating national service/drafting. RCAF may reject you if you want to be a commander or general.
You should try to understand the comments before you bark the same old hypocritical ideas of yours.
Given what we currently have (time to prepare, and hardware), the government can do a lot; but they are more worrying about directing the national resources into their OWN individual pockets rather than directing them to the rightful place for the national interests. As shown in the recent conflicts, the families of frontline soldiers who’ve paid their ultimate sacrifice for the country did not even get their salary entitlements because their superiors has kept it for themselves.
So when we raise the disparities, we were merely pointed out that the government should do more to equip our frontline soldiers so that they have a better chance of survival and ultimately defend the country, we still have time to be ready!
So, rather than spruiking your line of “here is an AK47 and a spare magazine, and go defend your country”, why don’t you try to raise awareness that our frontline troops needs more resources in preparation for the event of full scale war.
Wow a lot of so call Khmer here are scare of those coward Thai lady boys. We Khmers had been step on by almost all of our neighbors but we still here. We might not win an all out war but we can make them pay for stepping on our soil. Thai ain't America that they can just step on us. For god sake they got their ass kick by a much smaller Laos in the 80's. Yes our government need to do more to reformed our Armed Forces and give them more better weapons. But Cambodia is still poor. We have to used what we got for now. Hey even rusted bullet can kill. Thailand is a land of traitors, cowards, lady boys, hookers, land of many faces, land of stolen, land of lied.
Thais are pussy, but so are Khmers. Nevertheless, Yuon and/or China would never let that happens. Maybe that would even give Yuon an excuse to march all the way to Bangkok.
PATHETIC ARTICLE AND PATHETIC COMMENTS.
Thailand lost the war against Laos because of the Vietnam army stationed and protected all important vital areas in Laos. Laos army were able to focus in the small area of conflict using the superior tactics from the Vietnamese advisers.
If Cambodia wants to have a repeat such as Laos, then Cambodia needs Vietnamese troops to protect its vital areas or else Thailand will just roll right over with their superior weapons.
You have a very wrong idea thinking that Cambodian soldier is not well-trained. We might not have much weaponry... but tactic, i can assure you.
You guys do know Khmer lack a proper airforce? This is the modern age without air power you will get destroyed. Plus an aircraft carrier so planes are coming from two directions.
First your airfield will get bomb, then your infrastructure, then your tanks
gg
fast forward now it is 2016 our khmer army are now more equipped then 2011 we got more modern weapon from china that is a good thing. i read some part of your comment that if all out invasion happen thai army just walking in to take over cambodia ? because they have more planes than cambodian army. i strongly disagree with you. First of all our army now or in future generation will alway be for defensive purpose to deter aggression from the viet or the thai so our army do not need to have parity with thai or viet army. thai army may have more modern jet planes more modern tanks more modern copters that for sure but for their army personel only motivation is full scale invasion of cambodia to take our land. this kind of motivation is not a strenght of any major army actual it is a foundation of a very weak army, all it take just take down several hundred death will cause a ripple effect down the rank. WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR this full scale invasion.
our cambodian army just like i have stated above the purpose are defensive of our motherland actually we do not need modern jet planes at all- here what our army will need to compensate with the lack of modern jet we just need to have a modern weapons to kill their tanks, tank killer misile are cheap compare to the tank itself. we need to have modern copter killer and these weapon are cheap compare to the copters itself. so the modern weapons to stop thai or viet army is not out of reach of our defend spending. and one more important thing we do not need to fear about their jet , the jets cannot do carpet bombing like B52, yes this jet will kill some of our army but not import to crush us. for us the khmer people our army our people our motivation is the survival of our race the survival of our country so the will to fight are infinite the strenght are infinite. our population now stand at 16 millions strong as of 9/5/2016 and we just emerge from the long civil war - even with just very weak army in 2008-2011 we could stop thai aggression- now 2016 our army are more stronger. the thai or the viet before they try to invade or do any aggression to our land they will have calculate in their head already what our army strenght are what kind of modern weapons
that our army have in their position. so for the thai side as of now we have no problem to deter their aggression - war cost money thai is not super rich
their resources are not infinite so full scale invasion is out of the question. what i worry is the viet side as of now our army do not have enough modern weapons to fully deter them yet- i think in 10 years time with major upgrade to our army we will have no problem to deter them. we have to remember that our population keep growing every years so in 10 years time from today we may reach 20 millions strong just by this sear number of our population alone is the major deterence to them already. our defend spending
will reach a billion dollars in a few more years and with this kind of defense spending also a major deterence. so our motherland our race will continue we do not need to fear these two evil as long as we do not have civil war and starting killing each other again. in 30 more years our population may reach close to 30 millions imagine that what kind of army our
future generation will have.
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