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Friday 18 February 2011

Vietnamese tanks on the road to Preah Vihear to help Cambodia

Here is the English Version from Le Grand Village. [Apparently it is a Google translation].

[Note: Khmerization has no source to verify the veracity of this claim].

"As I have said so many times before regarding the real motivation of Hun Sen behind this tragic Preah Vihear dispute. Now Hun Sen is fulfilling the Vietnamese long term real target, which is to send more Vietnamese into Cambodia as illegal immigrants to vote for Hun Sen and to take over the land from the Cambodian people." Dr. Tith Naranhkiri

French to English translation
Source: HSL
LGV is by 16/02/2011

A tank company in Vietnam has gone through Cambodia to the border with Thailand. While the UN press to open a dialogue within ASEAN, the warring parties prepare for battle.

Ban Ki-moon calls for the opening of dialogue within ASEAN to finally resolve the different border between Cambodia and Thailand. To briefly recall the facts, the temple of Preah Vihear is on the geographical border between the two countries. Following a border dispute, the UN officially accepted the temple as on Cambodian territory. Today, Thailand has never accepted that decision, disputes and claims the area around the temple (which will become a tiny Cambodian enclave).

It is true that geographically, the temple is on the shelf Thai then dipped on the Cambodian plain. If geography was the border, Preah Vihear is in Thailand. But here, the borders were made by the war and not geography. When France colonized Indochina, Cambodia was almost completely absorbed by its voracious neighbors, the vast Khmer empire had disappeared. The negotiations at the time had rendered the plain of Angkor Wat in Cambodia Millennium increasing hatred towards Tai Khmer. Only Vietnam (darling of France) was allowed to keep Phu Quoc [Koh Trol in Khmer] and the Ganges delta recently annexed.

I close the parenthesis here that history could be developed much more.

Thailand agrees to open dialogue on condition that gives the surrounding territory Cambodia Preah Vihear. To achieve its ends and invade this part of the territory despite the advice of the UN, Thailand causes the Cambodian army in order to see and react to invade and to avoid the risk to its population. This tactic is clever and shows some knowledge of the adversary's weaknesses. The most powerful Thai waiting for an opportunity to "blow" the hated neighbor.

But Cambodians certainly very corrupt, are not stupid enough to fall into the trap. The army tries to prevent his men to respond to provocations Thai (the flag issue, then the grenades, ...). But the risk is important to see a soldier react and give the excuse that Thailand expects to launch a offensive.

To convince its neighbor to return home, Cambodia seeks help other neighbors. And as always in the history of Cambodia, who help major demand compensation (Phu Kok had been obtained in this way).

Vietnamese tanks through Cambodia and China provides its fighters.

I can tell you that the shock was great for the witness who told me the scene. 20 years ago the man saw the Vietnamese tanks arrived to "liberate" the land of the Khmer Rouge. These Vietnamese remained looted away the resources and wealth of a country yet in its death throes.

He almost died of fear on Saturday, early morning light again a column of armored Vietnamese, follow the same path, 20 years later to again "save" Cambodia!

These tanks are sent to scare and Thailand to weigh in the balance of negotiations. But Vietnam, like China have achieved some nice compensation for this assistance. In addition to their enhanced influence within ASEAN and the loss of credibility of the capitalist Thai, Vietnam and China squint on the oil reserves found recently in Cambodia. (Besides Vietnam has already offered to supply the oil that the country needs until they can exploit its own resources in exchange for rights to exploit future)

The escalation of violence and war preparation worries NGOs in Cambodia and scariest expatriates. The risk of a conflagration in the region is low but realistic. The regional and international powers will not leave burn south-east Asia. Too sensitive, the region has many interests and attracts the eyes of the U.S. but also China and India. None of these has great interest in the war between Thailand and Cambodia, ASEAN still less. Only Thailand may want a war to regain lost popularity at the time of national crisis in red shirts ...

Source: HSL

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Les blindés vietnamiens en route vers Preah Vihear pour aider le Cambodge.

by LGV on 16/02/2011

Une compagnie de chars vietnamiens a traversé le Cambodge pour rejoindre la frontière avec la Thaïlande. Alors que l’ONU presse pour ouvrir un dialogue au sein de l’ASEAN, les belligérants se préparent au combat.

Thailand Political TensionsBan Ki-moon demande l’ouverture du dialogue au sein de l’ASEAN pour enfin régler le différent de frontière qui oppose le Cambodge à la Thaïlande. Pour rappeler les faits brièvement, le temple de Preah Vihear se trouve sur la frontière géographique entre les deux pays. Suite à une dispute de frontière, l’ONU a officialisé le temple comme étant sur le territoire cambodgien. Aujourd’hui, la Thaïlande qui n’a jamais accepté cette décision, conteste et revendique la zone autour du temple (qui deviendrai alors une minuscule enclave cambodgienne).

preah vihearIl est vrai que géographiquement, le temple se trouve sur le plateau thaïlandais qui plonge ensuite sur la plaine cambodgienne. Si la géographie faisait les frontières, Preah Vihear serait en Thaïlande. Mais voila, les frontières sont faites par les guerres et non par la géographie. Lorsque la France colonisa l’Indochine, le Cambodge était presque totalement absorbé par ses voisins voraces ; le vaste empire khmer avait disparu. Les négociations de l’époque avait rendu la plaine d’Angkor Wat aux cambodgiens augmentant la haine millénaire de Taï envers les khmers. Seul le Vietnam (chouchou de la France) avait gardé Phu Kok et le delta du Gange annexé recemment.

Je referme ici la parenthèse historique qui pourrait être développée bien d’avantage.

La Thaïlande accepte l’ouverture du dialogue à condition que le Cambodge donne ses territoires avoisinants Preah Vihear. Pour arriver à ses fins et envahir cette portion de territoire malgré l’avis de l’ONU, la Thaïlande provoque l’armée cambodgienne dans le but de la voir réagir et ainsi l’envahir pour éviter le risque pour sa population. Cette tactique est intelligente et montre une certaine connaissance de l’adversaire et ses faiblesses. Le Thaï plus puissant n’attend qu’une occasion pour « moucher » ce voisin haïs.

preah vihearMais les cambodgiens, certes très corrompus, ne sont pas assez stupides pour tomber dans le piège grossier. Aussi l’armée tente d’empêcher ses hommes de répondre aux provocations thaïlandaises (l’affaire du drapeau, puis celle des grenades,…). Mais le risque est important de voir un soldat réagir et donner l’excuse que la Thaïlande attend pour lancer une offenssive.

Pour convaincre son voisin de rentrer chez lui, le Cambodge demande de l’aide aux autres voisins. Et comme toujours dans l’histoire du Cambodge, ceux qui aident demandent des compensations importantes (Phu Kok avait été obtenu par ce biais).

Des chars vietnamiens traversent le Cambodge et la Chine fournit ses avions de chasse.

preah vihearJe peux vous dire que le choc a été grand pour le témoin qui m’a raconté la scène. Il y a 20 ans l’homme a vu les chars vietnamiens arriver pour « libérer » le pays des khmers rouges. Ces vietnamiens sont restés ont pillé les ressources et emporté les richesses d’un pays pourtant à l’agonie.

Il a cru mourir de peur samedi, tôt le matin en voyant à nouveau une colonne de blindés vietnamiens, emprunter le même chemin, 20 ans après pour à nouveau « sauver » le Cambodge !

Ces blindés sont envoyés pour faire peur à la Thaïlande et pour faire un poids dans la balance des négociations. Mais le Vietnam, comme la Chine ont obtenus de belles compensations pour cet aide. Outre leur influence renforcée au sein de l’ASEAN et la perte de crédibilité du capitaliste thaï, le Vietnam et la Chine louchent sur les réserves pétrolières trouvées dernièrement au Cambodge. (d’ailleurs le Vietnam à déjà offert de fournir le pétrole dont le pays a besoin en attendant de pouvoir exploiter lui-même ses ressources, en échange de droits d’exploitation futurs)

preah vihearL’escalade de la violence et de la préparation à la guerre inquiète les ONG présentes au Cambodge et affolent les expatriés. Le risque d’un embrasement de la région est faible mais réaliste. Les puissances régionales et internationales ne laisseront pas s’enflammer le sud-est asiatique. Trop sensible, la région a beaucoup d’intérêts et attire le regard des USA mais aussi de la Chine et de L’inde. Aucun de ces grands n’a intérêt à la guerre entre la Thaïlande et le Cambodge, encore moins l’ASEAN. Seule la Thaïlande peut vouloir une guerre pour retrouver une popularité nationale perdue au moment de la crise des chemises rouges…

source : LGV

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

This is what aprehend me the most. The involment of another foe. I hope this is not true because VN always have ulterior motive.

Anonymous said...

I don't really Understand this Dr. at all, please Help! "A tank" one tank Dr?

Anonymous said...

Is this true?

Anonymous said...

Dude, read the headline. Also, it's a tank company not just a tank. A tank company consists of 9 or more tanks. A company consists of 3 platoons. A platoon consists of 3 tanks. I hope this would clarify your lack of military knowledge. No offense.

Anonymous said...

How do the Dr.know it is "A company of Tank< did someone counted them DR.?

Anonymous said...

you sound like "A Dr. Guessing"

Anonymous said...

I think someone is trying to spread rumors. I don't think Vietnam will come to Cambodia's aid should Thailand invade Cambodia. The treaty of mutual military assistance signed between Vietnam and Hun Sen means nothing. Vietnam will not get into a war that it has nothing to gain, but has everything to lose.

Anonymous said...

You are too paranoid Mr. Tith Naranhkiri, you belong to a generation of Cambodians and Southeast Asians of the 70s who are afraid of Vietnamese expansion. Why do you think Viet Nam jointed the ASEAN for? It's for peace in the region and bring in both Cambodia and Laos as well to the map of prosperity. Your allegation is funny, stop the fear and smell the rose for a moment will you?

Anonymous said...

3:38 PM, pho-ck Viet Nam. China will pho-ck you up. I'm a new generation Cambodian in my early 20's. Don't assume Cambodian who know about the nasty Vietnam theif are Southeast Asian of the 70's. From my understanding of history between my country Cambodia and Vietnam, they were naturally historical enemies, and still are and always will be. Cambodia lost too much to be friend with Vietnam. The reason why Cambodia and Vietnam appear to be friends now is because Cambodian leaders are puppets of Hanoi government. Vietnam is a dirty dog. Vietnam never want peace and prosperity with Cambodia and Laos. Vietnam dragged them into its Vietnam War. And we all know the result of the escalation of that war into Cambodia and Laos.

It wouldn't surprise me if Vietnam did mobilize troops and tanks to so-called protect Cambodia during clashes at Preah Vihear with Thailand. If that is the case, Vietnam only did that to protect its interest. It feels Cambodia is its colony, all thanks or no thanks to Cambodian leader Hun Sen, who's a puppet of Hanoi.