Getting into Cambodia’s heads
2 Jan, 2016 Harriet Fitch Little
Robert H Lieberman is a filmmaker, novelist, physicist and one time vet school drop-out. Born to Jewish parents in New York shortly after his family fled Nazi Germany, the 74-year-old says he has somehow always found himself in interesting places at important moments history. His documentary They Call it Myanmar – shot clandestinely over two one-year stints – won global plaudits when released in 2012, and featured an interview with Aung San Suu Kyi shortly after her release from house arrest. Now Lieberman has turned his sights to Cambodia, and has just completed filming for a documentary on the Kingdom: Breaking Baksbat (‘broken courage’ in Khmer).
Before flying out of Phnom Penh this weekend, Lieberman spoke to Harriet Fitch Little about the new film’s outlook, and detailed how exactly he secured an interview with Prime Minister Hun Sen .
You’ve made half a dozen films and written half a dozen novels all while teaching full time in the physics department at Cornell University. How does that work?
Cornell’s very generous. They know what I’m doing and cut me some slack – this term I’ll be coming back a bit late. The good part is that physics and engineering make you very analytical. You can drop me naked into any country in the world and I will survive. The bad part, and it’s only come recently, is that it becomes highly stressful – I’ll be working on a book at home, or a film, and I’m exhausted, then the kids start asking me physics problems and I have to totally switch gears. I was better when I was younger. I’m going to be 75 soon, and I’m still doing it. Why? I love it. I plan to die at the blackboard. I’ve told my kids that. And I already have my epitaph.
It's ‘He wrote different books and he made different movies’. In case I die and I don’t get a chance, would you request my wife not to forget that?
Why did you want to make a film about Cambodia?
I’ve got to tell you my history, then you’ll understand. My parents escaped Hitler with my older brother, and I was born in the US. My father lost his mother, his sister, her husband . . . he tried to get them out and couldn’t, and for the rest of his life was burdened with tremendous guilt. It had an effect on me even though I wasn’t there: my bags are always packed, everything is temporary, I thought I’d be dead at 40 . . . I just had this sense of mortality. Trauma is passed on psychologically and there’s something called epigenetics that they’re studying now which suggests that it might also be passed on genetically by changes in the DNA sequence. So I’m connected to Cambodia in that terrible sense.
Being a child of the Holocaust, I think I understand what is potentially going on here.
Robert H Lieberman has just finished shooting his documentary about Cambodia, Break Baksbat. Victoria Mørck Madsen
So this is a film about the Khmer Rouge?
This is not a Khmer Rouge movie. But to know the present you have to know the past, so we deal with people who have experienced this trauma and then we move on through successive generations. My focus has shifted enormously since I started making the film, especially now I’ve had such positive experiences with the 20-somethings here. They’re smart, energetic... we’re ending the film on a real high note.


























